(00:00-37:15): Jenna Perrine joins Ian to talk about mental health and lament as a christian. She is in a battle with ending the stigma of mental health and working to make it a norm in the church to talk about. Jenna goes into her life in Northern Ireland and how her desire to lament was stifled and not welcome. She also offers a step-by-step lamenting source on her website here: https://www.jennaperrine.com/. 

(37:15-1:14:57): Jason Feffer from The Practice at Willow joins Ian for the second half of the show. He touches on his ministry and aim to “stop doing discipleship, and start being disciples”. He briefly discusses the importance of maintaining a Christ-like manner in the church (i.e. teaching). He also talks about God’s presence in the midst of the highest highs, and lowest lows. He loves us all the same and will always.

(00:00-37:21): Brian is MIA, so Ian is calling upon his bench to help host the show. First up is his partner in crime (and life), Katie Simkins. She shares her amazing testimony of coming to Christ, and eventually ending up at the church Ian was pastoring. Katie leads a ministry called "Common Mission Women", which is made to empower women to express their faith and minister through creativity. She briefly goes into her mother’s testimony with helping the homeless and becoming a leader in that ministry.

(37:21-1:14:27): Steve Spangenberg from Trinity Church of the Nazarene joins the show to discuss his ministry and leadership. He is also a Naperville Police Department chaplain. He discusses how to build bridges in the local church and tear down competitive walls between bodies of Christ. Trinity aims to also bond it's body together in small groups and mission. 

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(00:00-37:21): Brian is MIA, so Ian is calling upon his bench to help host the show. First up is his partner in crime (and life), Katie Simkins. She shares her amazing testimony of coming to Christ, and eventually ending up at the church Ian was pastoring. Katie leads a ministry called "Common Mission Women", which is made to empower women to express their faith and minister through creativity. She briefly goes into her mother’s testimony with helping the homeless and becoming a leader in that ministry.

(37:21-1:14:27): Steve Spangenberg from Trinity Church of the Nazarene joins the show to discuss his ministry and leadership. He is also a Naperville Police Department chaplain. He discusses how to build bridges in the local church and tear down competitive walls between bodies of Christ. Trinity aims to also bond it's body together in small groups and mission.

We are joined by ministry leader and author Nancy Beach. She shares her extensive history in the Church and work in the arts ministry at Willow Creek. She became a teaching pastor, and eventually became a leadership coach to various pastors and ministry leaders. She touches on the topic of ‘church pain’ and shares her experience with it as well as how to overcome it.

Nancy has always been a passionate champion for artists and leaders in the local church.  For over 20 years she served as the Programming Director for Willow Creek Community Church in suburban Chicago, building a community of artists who sought to create transformational moments in Sunday morning church services. Nancy also served as a Teaching Pastor, periodically bringing the weekend message. Currently, Nancy serves as a leadership coach with the SlingShot Group, helping church leaders and teams to flourish in life and ministry. Nancy also uses her teaching gifts to cast vision at conferences and workshops, for both artists and women in leadership. In her book, An Hour on Sunday, Nancy expresses the core vision and values which she believes are foundational to any effective arts ministry. Nancy’s second book is titled:Gifted to Lead: the Art of Leading as a Woman in the Church.

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We are joined by ministry leader and author Nancy Beach. She shares her extensive history in the Church and work in the arts ministry at Willow Creek. She became a teaching pastor, and eventually became a leadership coach to various pastors and ministry leaders. She touches on the topic of ‘church pain’ and shares her experience with it as well as how to overcome it.

Nancy has always been a passionate champion for artists and leaders in the local church.  For over 20 years she served as the Programming Director for Willow Creek Community Church in suburban Chicago, building a community of artists who sought to create transformational moments in Sunday morning church services. Nancy also served as a Teaching Pastor, periodically bringing the weekend message. Currently, Nancy serves as a leadership coach with the SlingShot Group, helping church leaders and teams to flourish in life and ministry. Nancy also uses her teaching gifts to cast vision at conferences and workshops, for both artists and women in leadership. In her book, An Hour on Sunday, Nancy expresses the core vision and values which she believes are foundational to any effective arts ministry. Nancy’s second book is titled:Gifted to Lead: the Art of Leading as a Woman in the Church.

(00:00-09:20): Lauren Daigle’s 'You Say' Breaks Billboard Record, Becomes Biggest Christian Song of All Time. It has been the leader of the charts for 28 weeks, surpassing Hilsong’s ‘Oceans’ which set the previous record. Brian and Ian talk about the significance of Christian music and how it may be becoming mainstream.

(09:20-18:58): We are joined by ministry leader and author Nancy Beach. She shares her extensive history in the Church and work in the arts ministry at Willow Creek. She became a teaching pastor, and eventually became a leadership coach to various pastors and ministry leaders. She touches on the topic of ‘church pain’ and shares her experience with it as well as how to overcome it.

(18:58-27:48): Nancy sticks around to talk more about her experience with pain in the church and how she’s walked through it. She endured and experienced abuse and made the tough decision of making her statement public with her name included. She says the abuse of power is the biggest problem with church leaders.  

(27:48-36:36): Nancy closes out the hour talking about her book “Gifted to Lead: The Art of Leading as a Woman in the Church”. She discusses how, at first, being in a position of leadership as a woman was a lonely place. She will be speaking at the Restore Chicago Conference on November 2 at Judson University. 

(36:36-46:50): Ellen Degenneres attended a Dallas Cowboys game with former President George Bush, and people weren’t happy about it. She made a statement saying “When I say be kind...I mean to be kind to everyone”. Brian and Ian talk about being civil with those we don’t agree with.

(46:50-56:51): Should Christians have retirement? Book offers biblical alternative to culture of self-indulgence. Brian and Ian touch on this Christian Post article by Samuel Smith talking about continuing the mission even after you retire.

(56:51-1:06:52): We are joined via phone by Danny Yohannan from Gospel For Asia. He talks about the importance of the International Day of the Girl Child. The fight to end human trafficking around the world is ongoing and this organization is laying the groundwork for awareness. 

(1:06-52-1:13:37): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”: Pennsylvania man gets gobbled by aggressive turkeys. Apparently you can’t drive scooters while under the influence...of Germany. FIRE IN THE HOLE! The watering hole that is. Unfortunate news out of Indiana: All the bagels burn. Meanwhile, meth looks nothing like a hair bow.

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(00:00-09:20): Lauren Daigle’s 'You Say' Breaks Billboard Record, Becomes Biggest Christian Song of All Time. It has been the leader of the charts for 28 weeks, surpassing Hilsong’s ‘Oceans’ which set the previous record. Brian and Ian talk about the significance of Christian music and how it may be becoming mainstream.

(09:20-18:58): We are joined by ministry leader and author Nancy Beach. She shares her extensive history in the Church and work in the arts ministry at Willow Creek. She became a teaching pastor, and eventually became a leadership coach to various pastors and ministry leaders. She touches on the topic of ‘church pain’ and shares her experience with it as well as how to overcome it.

(18:58-27:48): Nancy sticks around to talk more about her experience with pain in the church and how she’s walked through it. She endured and experienced abuse and made the tough decision of making her statement public with her name included. She says the abuse of power is the biggest problem with church leaders.  

(27:48-36:36): Nancy closes out the hour talking about her book “Gifted to Lead: The Art of Leading as a Woman in the Church”. She discusses how, at first, being in a position of leadership as a woman was a lonely place. She will be speaking at the Restore Chicago Conference on November 2 at Judson University. 

(36:36-46:50): Ellen Degenneres attended a Dallas Cowboys game with former President George Bush, and people weren’t happy about it. She made a statement saying “When I say be kind...I mean to be kind to everyone”. Brian and Ian talk about being civil with those we don’t agree with.

(46:50-56:51): Should Christians have retirement? Book offers biblical alternative to culture of self-indulgence. Brian and Ian touch on this Christian Post article by Samuel Smith talking about continuing the mission even after you retire.

(56:51-1:06:52): We are joined via phone by Danny Yohannan from Gospel For Asia. He talks about the importance of the International Day of the Girl Child. The fight to end human trafficking around the world is ongoing and this organization is laying the groundwork for awareness. 

(1:06-52-1:13:37): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”: Pennsylvania man gets gobbled by aggressive turkeys. Apparently you can’t drive scooters while under the influence...of Germany. FIRE IN THE HOLE! The watering hole that is. Unfortunate news out of Indiana: All the bagels burn. Meanwhile, meth looks nothing like a hair bow.

(00:00-09:44):  Botham Jean’s Brother’s Offer of Forgiveness Went Viral. His Mother’s Calls for Justice Should Too. Brian and Ian touch on the importance of due process and payment for wrongdoing. Forgiveness is importance, grace is essential, but Justice is deserved. 

(09:44-19:40): Good news, bad news on churchgoers’ views of Trump. Brian and Ian touch on this Religion News article by Mark Silk that discusses the staggering statistics of approval of President Trump; as a person by churchgoers. 

(19:40-28:58): Matt Chandler: Many Christians are 'ill-prepared theologically to understand suffering'. Brian and Ian discuss misconceptions many Christians have when it comes to suffering and shared how believers can live in joy when times of sorrow come.

(28:58-38:13): More than Half of Christians under 35-Years-Old Believe Christians Should Not Date Unbelievers, New Study Finds. Brian and Ian talk about when they started dating and how dating believers was vital. 

(38:13-48:19): “Gen Z Evangelicals Still Express Their Faith at School, But Few Others Pay Attention,” writes David Roach in Christianity Today. Brian and Ian share their experiences of being open and expressive of their faith in school. Brian explains that he was pretty open, but never felt discriminated against or persecuted. 

(48:19-58:50): InterVarsity can require its leaders to be Christian, judge rules. An issue arose when Duke kicked this group off of campus because they say they violated the “no discrimination” policy. However, Brian and Ian disagree and refer to this article by Emily McFarlan Miller in Religion News. 

(58:50-1:08:50): Brian and Ian talk about the 7 things that extroverted introverts. Lauren Levine writes in Charlotte Agenda “7 things that extroverted introverts like myself wish you understood”. “We’re chatty enough that we can pass for full-on extroverts when we want to, but our sudden and immediate need to lounge on the couch and watch Netflix when we’ve hit our socializing limit is distinctly introverted.”

(1:08:50-1:15:24): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”: New York salon gives discounts to deer, they go nuts over it, while bears are beating Buicks abrasively. Delta’s security literally doesn’t exist, and a big ol’ bag o’ snakes are stolen in cold blood...ha. Meanwhile, the ceiling tiles at Big Lots are stronger than we thought.

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(00:00-09:44):  Botham Jean’s Brother’s Offer of Forgiveness Went Viral. His Mother’s Calls for Justice Should Too. Brian and Ian touch on the importance of due process and payment for wrongdoing. Forgiveness is importance, grace is essential, but Justice is deserved. 

(09:44-19:40): Good news, bad news on churchgoers’ views of Trump. Brian and Ian touch on this Religion News article by Mark Silk that discusses the staggering statistics of approval of President Trump; as a person by churchgoers. 

(19:40-28:58): Matt Chandler: Many Christians are 'ill-prepared theologically to understand suffering'. Brian and Ian discuss misconceptions many Christians have when it comes to suffering and shared how believers can live in joy when times of sorrow come.

(28:58-38:13): More than Half of Christians under 35-Years-Old Believe Christians Should Not Date Unbelievers, New Study Finds. Brian and Ian talk about when they started dating and how dating believers was vital. 

(38:13-48:19): “Gen Z Evangelicals Still Express Their Faith at School, But Few Others Pay Attention,” writes David Roach in Christianity Today. Brian and Ian share their experiences of being open and expressive of their faith in school. Brian explains that he was pretty open, but never felt discriminated against or persecuted. 

(48:19-58:50): InterVarsity can require its leaders to be Christian, judge rules. An issue arose when Duke kicked this group off of campus because they say they violated the “no discrimination” policy. However, Brian and Ian disagree and refer to this article by Emily McFarlan Miller in Religion News. 

(58:50-1:08:50): Brian and Ian talk about the 7 things that extroverted introverts. Lauren Levine writes in Charlotte Agenda “7 things that extroverted introverts like myself wish you understood”. “We’re chatty enough that we can pass for full-on extroverts when we want to, but our sudden and immediate need to lounge on the couch and watch Netflix when we’ve hit our socializing limit is distinctly introverted.”

(1:08:50-1:15:24): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”: New York salon gives discounts to deer, they go nuts over it, while bears are beating Buicks abrasively. Delta’s security literally doesn’t exist, and a big ol’ bag o’ snakes are stolen in cold blood...ha. Meanwhile, the ceiling tiles at Big Lots are stronger than we thought.

(00:00-09:41): 'Joker' is the culmination of an envelope-pushing trend. It could be Hollywood's future. The film takes recent industry trends to an apparent extreme, testing the limits of commercial storytelling. Brian and Ian discuss the controversial depiction of violence.

(09:41-18:51): Jameela Jamil was on with Trevor Noah talking about ‘cancel culture’. Brian and Ian hear a bit from her and then weigh in on forgiveness and redemption. As a society, we are so quick to forget celebrities or public figures who make mistakes. 

(18:51-28:11): What did we preach? Brian and Ian touch on what they talked about in their sermons on Sunday. Brian did not speak, so Ian took the reins on this one. He continued his series “This Changes Everything”, this week focused on loving like Jesus. He depicted the importance of living in community with people. 

(28:11-37:42): We have NY Times best-selling author and radio host, Eric Metaxas on the phone to talk about the World Leaders Forum October 8th. He also discusses his books “Donald Builds the Wall” and “Bonhoeffer”. 

(37:42-48:15): At Caring Well conference, SBC leaders hear criticism of abuse response. Southern Baptist leaders wrestled with questions of procedure and accountability during a gathering on sexual abuse this week, grappling with how best to address an issue some say the denomination took far too long to address.

(48:15-58:06): We are joined by former Bears cornerback and ministry leader, Ray McElroy. He is in to talk about his ministry life post-football and how he was the Bears chaplain under Lovie Smith. The ministry in the organization was thriving while he and his wife led home groups and devotionals in the club house. 

(58:06-1:08:35): Ray sticks around to discuss his ministry, Focal Point Ministries. He is speaking at the fall kick-off breakfast at Community Christian Church on October 19th. 

(1:08:35-1:15:01): Brian and Ian’s “Weird Stuff We Found on the Internet”: Meth is illegal folks, and bad..mmkay? Air B&B’s in New York are starting to allow people to sneak in to the given houses...not really. Oh millennials, you could be so much cooler if you drove stick, but you do find creative ways to commit crimes with drones. Meanwhile, if you want to get away with a crime, call this dispatcher.

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