The Counter Culture Mom Show with Tina Griffin

What does Hollywood get wrong about aliens? Plenty, according to Amanda Llewellyn, the co-director of the upcoming documentary UFOs and God, a film centered on examining the modern surge of UFO sightings, the multiple tranches of government disclosures, and society’s obsession with extraterrestrials. Amanda roasts Steven Spielberg’s Disclosure Day for getting it wrong when it comes to the supernatural phenomena of aliens or UFOs. Amanda says that she encountered aliens and was abducted while she was growing up, and the trauma had a deep impact on her life. Thankfully, she found peace in Christ and offers tremendous insight into UFOs and aliens. This topic is often twisted and sensationalized in all the wrong ways in modern culture.

TAKEAWAYS

UFO or alien activity is spiritual

The phenomenon of UFO sightings doesn’t take place in a vacuum

Spielberg’s film presents a friendly and benign picture of aliens who are not really “demons” but are certainly demonic

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What keeps pastors from preaching about the Book of Revelation? Is it too complicated to understand? Is it too scary? Absolutely not! Robert Furrow simplifies the conversation about the End Times, reminding us that those who read this important book will be blessed (Rev. 1:3). Robert is the pastor of Calvary Tucson and the host of Truth Quest with Robert Furrow. He gives bite-sized answers for big questions about prophecy, breaking down the signs of the End Times, the prophecies that have been fulfilled, the prophecies that are still to come, and some basic truths about the Tribulation. The best way to interpret the Bible, Robert says, is through the Bible. Revelation is just as important as the other books of the Bible. Don’t be afraid to explore the unknown.

TAKEAWAYS

Revelation is often skipped over because pastors are afraid to touch it for fear of not interpreting it correctly

Israel’s existence as a modern nation-state may be a sign that the End Times are near

Jesus’s appearance in Revelation is very different from in the Gospels

Nobody knows the day or the hour that Christ will return (Matt. 24:36), and scripture says in the Last Days, scoffers will arrive (2 Peter 3:3-4)

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Wende Gaikema was totally blindsided when her son, Matthew, committed suicide at just 22 years old, weeks from graduating from Texas A&M University. Navigating the journey of extreme grief in the aftermath of Matthew’s death was unfathomably painful. In retrospect, Wende offers practical wisdom for many of the common issues faced by those experiencing traumatic loss. She discusses the reality of grieving with the hope of Christ - the rawness, bitterness, and pain throughout the healing process. She also highlights the need for others to come alongside those who are grieving, surrounding them for the long haul with loving arms and empathetic hearts. Wende is the founder of Coach Wende and the author of an insightful book, From Heartache to Hope: Navigating the Choices in Your Suicide Loss Journey.

TAKEAWAYS

1 Thess. 4:13-14 reminds us that we do not grieve as people with no hope

Suicide is the second leading cause of death for people ages 10 to 34

There are many layers of emotional shrapnel to deal with in the aftermath of suicide

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Jenita Pace was in such a deep depression that she attempted suicide and ended up hospitalized for ten days. God’s miracle was that her husband forgot his pager and went home to retrieve it, only to stop Jenita from taking her life moments before! Today, she’s a therapist and a professor, but the road to healing was not easy. Jenita talks about the long, slippery slope that can lead to suicide and the lies that we tell ourselves to justify suicide as the only option - when that couldn’t be further from the truth. Time and healing have highlighted the truth in Jenita’s life: Christians carry the Holy Spirit within them. Every human life is precious and has meaning. God can and will use anyone willing. Salvation is not earned; it’s a gift. God loves us just as we are, and in Him, we have infinite value and worth.

TAKEAWAYS

Jenita wrote a devotional, The Healing Name of Jesus: Find Freedom from Depression and Anxiety

Often, the church misunderstands mental health and, as a result, fails to address it

The lies Satan tells us are that “we aren’t worth it,” and that God “can’t use us,” but our pain is our testimony, and our story can save others

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Jason Sautel was a firefighter in Oakland, California, when his world came crashing down. As he watched a suicidal man jump to his death off the Oakland Bay Bridge, Jason came face-to-face with his own demons, and there was only one way out: Jesus Christ. Today, Jason is a retired firefighter, a Christian, and the author of a book that gives many people hope: The Rescuer - One Firefighter’s Story of Courage, Darkness, and the Relentless Love That Saved Him. Jason shares the harrowing stories of darkness on the streets of Oakland, confronting the worst kinds of tragedies, and how the grace of Jesus Christ and the good news of the Gospel saved his own life. He wrote his book to let people know they’re not alone in their pain. There is a way out: hell is real, but so is Jesus, and so is the hope of salvation and eternal life.

TAKEAWAYS

Dealing with daily tragedy and trauma as a firefighter took a toll on Jason’s life

The reality of hell should give Christians a sense of urgency to save others

Only the relentless power of God can save us from the darkness of our sins

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Dr. Matthew Sleeth is a former emergency room physician who has become one of the most influential Christian leaders in America. He is the executive director of Blessed Earth and the author of a new book, Hope Always: How to Be a Force for Life in a Culture of Suicide. Matthew talks about how he raised his kids in a Christian household, pulled the plug on screens and television, and focused hard on the Word of God. He also discusses the skyrocketing rates of suicide in America, zooming in on the magnitude of an increasingly prevalent problem. His newest book examines the spiritual forces behind suicide and how devoted Christians are far less likely to act on these destructive thoughts. God wants us to choose life, Matthew says, but Satan is constantly attempting to push humans toward death.

TAKEAWAYS

Christians act on suicidal thoughts four times less often than non-Christians

Secular culture presents a hopeless, rudderless picture of life

The voice of suicide is the voice of Satan, the voice of your enemy

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What are the red flags of abusive leadership? Anna Vaughn survived years of spiritual abuse while working for a charismatic but narcissistic ministry leader. After walking away from that ministry with the rest of the interns following her, she went through a period of time when she was angry at God and even questioned His character. But God was good, and He brought her through that season. Now, Anna is the director of Stirred Up Ministries and the author of Caught in the Crossfire. Anna details how she escaped past spiritual abuse, how she felt in the fallout, and how God healed her in the eventual aftermath. Anna was called to continue to work in ministry, but with new eyes and an open heart to help others heal from past spiritual abuse as well.

TAKEAWAYS

Wounds from childhood are often a catalyst for why adults end up with destructive behaviors

Many people get hurt by pastors or churches and blame God

God is not responsible for the sins of fallen humans; we must separate Creator from creation

Once something demonic is exposed, it fights you even harder

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Anna Vaughn was excited to begin a new chapter of her life - working in a new job running a ministry’s internship program at just 19. Unfortunately, what ensued was several years of major spiritual abuse from the leadership of this church - an experience that has led her to where she is today: healed, whole, and transparent. Anna is now the founder of Stirred Up Ministries and the author of Caught in the Crossfire, a book that exposes spiritual abuse by recounting not just her experience, but also the experiences of others who have experienced the same abuse. Unforgiveness and bitterness hold us in bondage, but not the person who has hurt us, she shares. Anna is a testament to what it looks like to expose toxic leadership without being burdened by anger.

TAKEAWAYS

Unforgiveness does more damage to ourselves than anyone else

Spiritual abuse signs may look like: fear, intimidation, and isolation

Sometimes very charismatic leaders hide their red flags really well, but that shouldn’t stop us from exposing the abuse

Spiritual abuse often goes hand-in-hand with a cult-like culture at church

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What do Christian leaders do in the seasons of life where they find themselves in the wilderness? What did John the Baptist do? What did Jesus do? These are the questions that Jason Jensen, the author of Formed to Lead, faithfully addresses. He focuses on the beginning of Luke 3, when the Word of God came to John in the wilderness. Why is the wilderness important? How does it cultivate growth and maturity? How can we not just survive, but thrive during those moments and learn to lean totally on God? We need to pay attention when we’re experiencing those seasons of life, cultivating that time by implementing spiritual disciplines that will help us slow down and learn important lessons God wants to teach us. Jason calls this “creating a wilderness space” to allow the Word of the Lord to arrive and bless.

TAKEAWAYS

God taught the Israelites in the desert that they needed to totally rely on Him

Listen quietly and daily to the voice of the Holy Spirit

Create spiritual disciplines and don’t be afraid to listen to your fellow believers’ experiences and insights

Rest is so important; it allows us to give our leadership burdens to God

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Leadership may look a little different for everyone, but for a Christian, our leadership style should be modeled after Jesus Christ. What better way to learn about the leadership approach of Jesus than in the Bible? Jason Jensen is the Vice President for Spiritual Foundations for InterVarsity Christian Fellowship. He is also the author of Formed to Lead, an important book examining Jesus’s leadership style, especially in the first chapters of Luke. Jason explores the connection between spiritual discipline and strong leadership qualities. Jason urges leadership toward reframing their assumptions about what leadership should look like: it’s not about getting a position of power; it’s about creating a positive culture and influencing others in all the right ways.

TAKEAWAYS

If we learn from our failures, we will perform better in the future

Tender humility should be balanced with bold faith and we need both attributes to be Godly leaders

When Jesus asks us to lead, we should expect character formation to happen next

The Holy Spirit will help us to reform our lives as we lead

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