Greg and Kingsley speak to serial entrepreneur Ntuthuko Shezi, and to Gareth Taylor - Incubation Manager at the Awethu Project for their perspectives about small (black) business in South Africa and what government is doing and can continue to do about getting more entrepreneurs starting and successfully running SMMEs. Then they also touch on COSATU and how their endless in-fighting is bad for labour (and business) in the short term. www.cliffcentral.com