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"You know, there's a lot of boldness in our programming in public television and radio to really celebrate diversity, which is being knocked down now, and to celebrate, you know, the curious mind, the expansive mind, the mind that wants to see the world through, through the lens of differently abled people, people with different life experiences. You know, before DEI was dei, there was Sesame Street. You know, they really tried to sort of build a culture of curiosity and inclusion."