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Let's talk about Umwelt. I'm calling this series the animal protagonist, because it is hard to remember that everyone sees the world in their own way. We all have a version of the world where we are the protagonist. We are living as the main character in our own story. Are non human animals any different? For a long time The possibility of Animal emotions was off limits in the scientific community. And although anyone living with an animal, even scientists, could see that animals had emotions, still the scientific community steered away from the subject. It was argued that because Animals couldn't talk there's no way we could ever know for sure if they experienced emotions. And if we could not know for sure then we should act as if they do not. 

This policy, has allowed at least Western society to treat animals as if they were not sentient, as if, despite our own perceptions, they did not feel pain or joy. Animals were relegated to no more than living machines which had no moral standing. All that is now beginning to change as many in the scientific community have realized that although we cannot yet prove animals have emotions It doesn't mean we shouldn't ask the question. After all isn't science about asking questions? However the progress has been slow and as you will hear from some of our guests some of the scientific communities still prefer to act as of animals do not experience emotions. So, we are only starting to scratch the surface of understanding other animals perceptions of the world. 
In this series I'd like to take a few episodes to introduce you to some of The researchers, philosophers, and professionals who are asking questions about animal perceptions, emotions, preferences, and history. 
we're going to talk to Dr Mariska kret, about the current research that goes into understanding expressions of emotions in other animals, we're going to be talking to world famous author Barbara King about how animals experience grief, we'll be talking to Sindhoor panghal a researcher and dog trainer in India about her work with free roaming street dogs, Dr Simon gabois will talk to us about olfaction perception in canids, and Dr Michelle fournette will be giving us insight into the lives of marine mammals through bio acoustics! We'll also be talking to dog trainer Simone Mueller about predation instincts in dogs and how they can be turned into powerful training tools! And as you can imagine there is so much more! 
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Episode 9 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

Cindy Su and Michel Liao are two of the members of an ecology club at an Idaho an high school who are trying to sound the alarm around the importance of wolves as a part of a healthy ecosystem in Idaho. 

Guests: Michel Liao is a senior at Timberline High School in Boise, Idaho. Michel likes math, reading, and activism. He's co-president of his high school's environmental club, TREE Club, and co-founded System Green, a 501(c)(3) dedicated to transforming Boise into a more sustainable city.

Recommended Reading: Man's Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl

Cindy Su is a senior at Timberline High School in Boise, Idaho in the United States. She has been following and advocating for the wolves ever since she heard about SB 1211 in the spring of 2021.

Recommended Reading: Nothing by Janne Teller

Planet Earth BBC Documentary

Saving the Northern Rocky Mountains Gray Wolf

International Wolf Center

How Wolves Change Rivers 

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

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Episode  8 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

I talk with Jen Shryock and Helen St. Pierre (who both spoke at the Aggression in Dogs Conference 2022) about issues around introducing new babies into a home with dogs, we discuss the issue of social media showing dogs with young children or babies and how to help your kids have a good relationship with the dog family members in your household. 

Guests: Jennifer is the owner and founder of Family Paws Parent Education.   She has a certification from the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants and a special education degree with more than 30 years of experience. She’s served on multiple boards, including the International Childbirth Education Association, and was Vice President of Doggone Safe, a non-profit dedicated to dog bite prevention and victim support.

Book Recommendation: Living with Kids and Dogs...Without Losing Your Mind by Colleen Pelar Episode 37 with Colleen Pelar

Helen is the owner and operator of No Monkey Business Dog Training, LLC. Based in Concord New Hampshire. She is a Certified Professional Dog Trainer – Knowledge and Skills Assessed (CPDT-KSA) and a Certified Dog Behavior Consultant (CDBC) and an Operation Socialization Certified Trainer (OSCT). Helen has been training dogs for over 20 years. She is a professional member of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers, a certified member of the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants and a member of the Pet Professional Guild. Helen is also a licensed Dogs and Storks educator, and a licensed Dogs and Toddlers educator.

Book Recommendation: The Third Chimpanzee: The Evolution and Future of the Human Animal by Jared Diamond

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

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Episode 7 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

I talk with Therese Lilliesköld about animals and domestic violence. we will be talking about Domestic violence against pets and how pets are used against children by abusers. we're going to be talking about How to protect children from online abusers and how important it is for women's shelters to be welcoming to the animal family members.

Guest: Therese Lilliesköld offers lectures and training on the connection between violence against children and family animals, cat behavior and cat protection, trauma in dogs and cats and family animals from an anthrozoological perspective. For pet owners, she offers cat behavior consultations and lectures.

She lives in Gnesta in scenic Sörmland with her family; sons Ruben and Vidar, the house cats Pocahontas and Panther, the guinea pigs Lily and Juni, the mixed breed dog Vera and the Salamander Salomon. The Link

Book Recommendation: Our Symphony with Animals: On Health, Empathy, and Our Shared Destinies By Aysha Akhtar

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

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This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

This podcast was produced on Historical Tribal Land of the Quinault Indian Nation and The Snoqualmie Tribe Ancestral Lands

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This is a Special Episode about the recent (Summer of 2022) removal and rescue of 4,000 Beagles from a breeding facility that breeds beagle so they can be sold to laboratories in the Unites States for use as test subjects. 

Guest: Lindsay Hamrick, Director of Shelter Outreach and Engagement, the Humane Society of the United States works to strengthen partnerships with shelter and rescue organizations through mentorship, training, policy initiatives and grants. She is a Certified Animal Welfare Administrator and a Certified Professional Dog Trainer. Within the HSUS, she previously served as the director of policy—advancing fair housing policies, supporting humane community cat programs and ending breed-specific legislation—and as the New Hampshire state director. Before joining the HSUS, she spent almost a decade in animal sheltering, overseeing behavioral, medical, adoption and owner support programs at three of New Hampshire’s animal shelters, as well as at a large, urban shelter with an intake of over 30,000 animals per year. She serves on the board of Shelter Animals Count and the New England Federation of Humane Societies.

Book Recommendation: Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Talking, by Susan Cain

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

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Episode 6 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals

Learning about Fanimal, a way to engage children and youth in Animal science and programs to support an interest in the connection between humans and other animals. 

Guest: Carol Kline is the founder and Managing Director of Fanimal. Through working as a tourism professor in North Carolina, U.S., Carol had the privilege of collaborating with many farming families who wish to develop tourism on their farm as a means to provide extra income and to convey the importance of food production and rural lifestyles. Today she teaches a course on Animals, Tourism, & Sustainability and her research agenda is focused entirely on animals, which intersects with tourism and hospitality quite naturally. She launched Fanimal.online  in 2018 to further satisfy her thirst for animal-related knowledge, her desire to network with animal- and environmentally-focused people, her wish help others find satisfaction by bringing animals into their life and careers, but most of all to be a part of something bigger for the betterment of animal lives. Book Recommendation: Yet to be published  Spiders by Carol Kline and Nora Livingstone

Guest: Nora Livingstone is the CEO and co-founder of Animal Experience International, an award winning B Corp that helps people volunteer on animal welfare and conservation projects. She also is the host of Fanimal's Animal Chat Time where she talks to animal lovers of all ages about narwhals, flying snakes, binturongs and more! She has danced in the CN tower as a panda, Ivor Wynne stadium as a red tailed hawk, Birmingham Grand Central Station as a river otter and on the banks of the Cowichan River as a chinook salmon.  Book Recommendations: The Soul of an Octopus: A Surprising Exploration into the Wonder of Consciousness    by Sy Montgomery

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

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Episode 5 of Series 5: Children and Other Animals 

I chat with Anthrozoologist, Philosopher, and Social Scientist, Lynda Korimboccus, about her article "The Peppa Pig Paradox" an article published by The Journal for Critical Animal Studies in 2020. 

Guest: Lynda is a passionate advocate for equity and justice, and is Trustee of a newly formed creative social project, The Scheme, in her hometown of Livingston, Scotland. Lynda’s current PhD research investigates the experiences of young vegan children in key Scottish social institutions such as education, with a view to expanding its inclusivity. She is a member of The Vegan Society’s Researcher and Education Networks, and she has been a Lecturer in Sociology and Programme Tutor for the Scottish Wider Access Programme (SWAP) in Social Sciences at West Lothian College for 15 years.

Book Recommendations: Our Children and Other Animals: The Cultural Construction of Human-Animal Relations in Childhood by Kate Mathew Cole and Kate Stewart

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted and edited by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Natasha Matsaert

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

This Podcast is part of the IROAR Animals Podcasting Network 

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Part 4 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series

We discuss Marco's work with wolves and free roaming dogs and takeaways form the conference so far!

Guest: Independent researcher, founder and director of AEDC Anthrozoology Education Dogs Canines and PFAH Portugal Focus Animal Help. He leads in-person and online educational programs on dog behavior, free-ranging dogs and wolves. He has studied free-ranging dogs in various countries, conducted field research on Bali dogs, and introduced dogs to schools in Indonesia, Thailand, and Malaysia. He also studied sledge dogs in Quebec, Dingoes in Australia, and wolves in the UK. He supported the rescue of animals in disasters in Indonesia and Portugal. 

Member of the International Society for Anthrozoology, the Animal Behavior Society, and board member for the international Anthrozoology Symposium, Romania.

Book Recommendation: A Dog's World: Imagining the Lives of Dogs in a World without Humans By Jessica Pierce and Marc Bekoff

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

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Part 5 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series

I talk with Jessica Wheatcraft about her work with aggression in dogs and leash reactivity. 

Guest: Jessica is the Owner and Director of Behavior and Training at Instinct Dog Training San Diego. She and her team help San Diego dogs and humans live better lives through practical, positive, and effective training & behavior programs.
Jessica has over 15 years of training and behavior consulting experience, working with thousands of pet dogs and their families. She has specialized in behavior issues for the past 10 years, specifically leash reactivity and aggression cases. She takes a comprehensive approach in understanding each individual dog, and tailoring her training plan accordingly.

Book Recommendation: Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones, by James Clear

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

Now, host of The Deal with Animals, she enjoys chatting with people who know a lot more than she does about the various research disciplines of Anthrozoology as well as authors, nonprofits, professionals, and enthusiasts!

Credits: The Deal With Animals is hosted by Marika. Music was composed by Kai Strandskov. Editing for this episode by Marika Bell

Recording and post production software by Zencastr and hosting provided by Anchor.

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Part 4 of the Aggression in Dogs Conference Mini-Series 

Today I had the great of pleasure talking with Suzanne Clothier. The creator of "Relationship Centered Training" and the Author of one of my favorite books, Bones Would Rain from the Sky: Deepening Our Relationships with Dogs. 

Guest: Suzanne Clothier has worked with animals professionally since 1977. Her Relationship Centered Training™ approach blends science and heart to create humane, effective and practical solutions for dogs and the people who work with them, whether professional working dogs or couch warming companions. She has presented workshops around the world on a broad range of topics.

An innovative trainer always seeking better ways to understand, assess and improve what we do with and for dogs, Suzanne has developed a variety of Relationship Centered Training techniques, including Treat/Retreat. The author of the ground-breaking Bones Would Rain from the Sky: Deepening Our Relationships With Dogs (Warner, 2002) and many other books, DVDs and training tools, she is currently offering online courses for trainers and dog owners.

A long time breeder of German Shepherds, 11 generations of her dogs have been successful in multiple dog sports, SAR, therapy work, and as guide dog breeding stock. She lives on a working farm in upstate New York with husband John Rice, and their considerable animal family.

Book Recommendations: Kinship with All Life, by J. Allen Boone and The Sound of a Wild Snail Eating by Elisabeth Tova Bailey

Host: Marika completed her MA in Anthrozoology at the University of Exeter, UK in 2016 and upon moving back to the Seattle area of Washington state she joined the board of Homeward Pet Adoption Center. She also holds a University degree in Zoology (UW) and a CPDT-KA from the Certification Council for Professional Dog Trainers.

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