A conversation with philosopher Tim Freke about the mythical Gnostic figure of the Demiurge, the lesser God who creates the material Cosmos. The Gnostics used the Demiurge to explain how a God of pure love could end up creating a universe of suffering.

We talk about how the image of the Demiurge has been recycled through the ages right up until the present day, from films like The Matrix to the theories of David Icke.