The Dr. Haley Show

You pay attention to what you eat—but what about the soil that grew it?

UFC Hall of Famer Pat Miletich joins Dr. Michael Haley to explore the connections between soil health, food quality, and human performance. From preparing meals for championship training to growing food with attention to minerals and microbes, this conversation encourages listeners to look beyond the ingredient list.

You’ll hear practical meal-preparation ideas, Pat’s perspective on growing conditions, and questions to consider when evaluating claims about nutrition and soil restoration.

ABOUT THE GUEST

Pat Miletich is the inaugural UFC welterweight champion, a UFC Hall of Famer, and founder of Miletich Fighting Systems. His career spans fighting, coaching, and sports broadcasting. Today, through Soil Saviors, he explores soil biology, minerals, and their relationship to food production.

EPISODE RESOURCES

Episode article and full transcript:

https://drhaley.com/soil-health-pat-miletich/

Soil Saviors — products and free “The Art and Science of Soil” course:

https://www.soilsaviors.org/

Haley Nutrition:

https://haleynutrition.com/

Explore The Dr. Haley Show:

https://drhaley.com/

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

04:44 Childhood respiratory struggles and Pat’s reported turning point

09:22 Whole foods, meal preparation, and antioxidants

13:07 Flavor, growing conditions, and food quality

20:37 Agricultural inputs, weeds, and soil restoration

26:01 Fertilizers, contaminants, and microbes

31:43 Rebuilding health after travel, poor sleep, and alcohol

35:19 The Art and Science of Soil course

39:00 Garden and pasture treatments

44:09 Brix readings and measuring aloe acemannan

46:09 Self-compassion, boundaries, and caring for yourself

SHOW SUMMARY

Pat shares the dietary changes he associates with overcoming childhood respiratory difficulties and supporting his fighting career. He also reflects on losing healthy habits during years of demanding travel—and returning to them.

The discussion explores Pat’s approach to restoring soil minerals and microbial life, his observations about garden productivity and flavor, and a possible experiment involving aloe vera quality. The episode closes with a reminder to extend the care we give our children to ourselves.

Personal experiences and product claims discussed in this episode are not independently established treatment or remediation results.

MEDICAL DISCLAIMER

Educational and informational only; not medical advice. The experiences and opinions discussed should not replace diagnosis or treatment from a qualified healthcare professional. Do not change medication, supplements, diet, or treatment based solely on this episode.

Your labs look normal—but you’re exhausted, waking at 2 a.m., and wondering why your body feels different. What questions should you ask next?

Courtney Garner joins Dr. Michael Haley to discuss women’s hormone health, the distinction between normal and optimal lab results, and her perspective on connecting Christian faith with medical care.

Hear Courtney’s personal experiences with infertility, restrictive eating, intense exercise, and rapid weight gain during a stressful season. Explore questions to bring to your healthcare provider about fatigue, sleep, nutrition, and hormone care—and why emotional support and community belong in the conversation.

ABOUT THE GUEST

Courtney Garner is a board-certified Family Nurse Practitioner, founder of WellSpot Functional Medicine and WellSpot IV, and author of Where Faith Meets Medicine: A Woman’s Guide to Health, Hormones, and Longevity.

EPISODE RESOURCES

Episode article and full transcript:

https://drhaley.com/hormones-healing-faith-courtney-garner/

Courtney Garner’s website and resources:

https://www.courtneygarner.com/

Where Faith Meets Medicine — book information and purchase links:

https://www.courtneygarner.com/where-faith-meets-medicine

WellSpot Functional Medicine:

https://www.wellspotfunctionalmedicine.com/

WellSpot IV:

https://www.wellspotiv.com/

Watch the interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqVFNynXbhI

Courtney mentions a downloadable lab guide through her website or the QR code in her book. Check her website for current availability.

EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

04:24 Connecting faith, healthcare, and purpose

17:06 What Courtney means by “emotional toxins”

19:29 Normal versus optimal lab results

23:42 Fertility, PCOS, and Courtney’s personal story

32:08 Environmental exposures and detoxification

35:59 Plastics, bottled water, and food processing

40:00 Rapid weight gain, stress, and loneliness

43:51 Waking at 2 a.m. and hormone health

46:42 Protein, carbohydrates, fats, and food choices

50:24 Courtney’s book, followed by her perspective on fasting

SHOW SUMMARY

Episode 159 explores the intersection of physical symptoms, emotional well-being, and spiritual life. Courtney shares her clinical perspective and personal testimony while Dr. Haley asks about lab interpretation, fertility, stress, sleep, and nutrition. Their conversation encourages listeners to ask thoughtful questions and consider their health in the context of their whole lives.

Discover more episodes of The Dr. Haley Show:

https://drhaley.com/

MEDICAL DISCLAIMER

Informational only; not medical advice. Personal experiences and clinical observations do not establish treatment effectiveness. Some claims discussed are not substantiated within the episode. Consult a qualified healthcare professional before changing medications, contraception, hormones, supplements, diet, or fasting practices.

What if the best longevity habit is one you can actually stick with?

Plant-based chef and longevity educator Ron Russell joins Dr. Michael Haley to explore small, enjoyable changes in nutrition, movement, strength training, sleep, and gratitude. Their conversation focuses on healthspan: having the energy, strength, and independence to enjoy your years.

Ron is the author of Longevity Visa and co-founder of SunCafe Organic in Los Angeles. He shares his experience preparing meals for patients in Dr. Dean Ornish’s program at UCLA Medical Center and teaching cooking classes to help people prepare flavorful plant-based meals at home.

Dr. Haley and Ron have different dietary preferences, but find common ground in making nutritious food and sustainable habits easier to enjoy.

IN THIS EPISODE

• How Ron approaches longevity habit stacking without changing everything at once

• Keeping frozen blueberries and other ingredients available for busy days

• Adding dark leafy greens to familiar meals

• Plant protein, sprouting, B12, and other supplement questions

• Turning prepared white beans into a creamy lemon-garlic sauce

• Using acidity, spices, and simple sauces to build flavor

• Incorporating movement breaks and strength training into everyday life

• Ron’s experience with gratitude journaling, sleep routines, and coping with loss

• Using a written habit list to stay consistent and adapt when circumstances change

EPISODE BLOG & FULL TRANSCRIPT

https://drhaley.com/longevity-habit-stacking-ron-russell/

WATCH ON YOUTUBE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTP_m70Yr6U

RON RUSSELL’S RESOURCES

Website and newsletter signup:

https://www.longevityvisa.com/

Plant-based recipes:

https://www.longevityvisa.com/longevity-recipes

Longevity habit list:

https://www.longevityvisa.com/50-best-longevity-hacks

Educational longevity assessment:

https://www.longevityvisa.com/longevity-test

Longevity Visa book:

https://www.amazon.com/Longevity-Visa-Younger-Healthier-Reverse/dp/B0GL378WKK

Longevity Visa Reset Kit:

https://www.longevityvisa.com/product-page/longevity-visa-reset-kit

YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@LongevityVisa

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/longevityvisa/

https://www.instagram.com/veganchefron/

X:

https://x.com/RonRussell2

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronrusselllongevityvisa

SunCafe Organic:

https://www.suncafe.com/

ADDITIONAL RESOURCE MENTIONED

Dr. Michael Greger’s NutritionFacts.org:

https://nutritionfacts.org/

EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Start small: Ron’s habit-stacking message

00:51 Healthspan and longevity habit stacking

03:51 Blueberries, matcha, and an easy starting habit

13:08 Tofu, tempeh, and raw versus cooked food

19:27 Dark leafy greens and ways to add them

24:27 Why Ron became vegetarian and later vegan

28:09 Animal welfare, food choices, and gratitude

32:02 Plant-based nutrition, protein, and sprouting

37:24 B12 and other supplement questions

39:11 Ron’s approach to flaxseed preparation and storage

43:12 Longevity Visa and food for the Ornish program

45:43 Quick bowls and creamy plant-based sauces

48:15 Acidity, spices, and building flavor

50:23 Extra-virgin olive oil as a finishing ingredient

51:38 Daily movement and strength training

57:37 Balance, physical capacity, and Ron’s assessment

1:00:53 Mindset and the gratitude habit

1:05:39 Sleep hygiene and the bedroom environment

1:07:12 Stress, grief, and gratitude

1:09:44 Starting small and using a habit spreadsheet

1:11:27 Ron’s suggestions for getting started

1:13:53 Newsletter, social channels, book, and reset kit

1:15:14 Closing thoughts and resources

JOIN THE CONVERSATION

If you could improve one habit this week—food, movement, sleep, or gratitude—which would you choose, and what gets in your way?

Subscribe to The Dr. Haley Show, share this episode with someone who would enjoy it, and explore more conversations at https://drhaley.com/.

MEDICAL DISCLAIMER

This podcast and article are provided for educational and informational purposes only and do not constitute medical advice. The experiences and opinions discussed are those of the speakers and should not replace diagnosis or treatment from a qualified healthcare professional. Do not begin, discontinue, or change any medication, supplement, diet, or treatment based solely on this episode.

What if the first question at a nutrition store shouldn’t be “Which supplement should I buy?” but “What am I trying to solve?”

Chris Ruppe has operated Gator Nutrition, an independent Florida nutrition store, since 1997. After nearly three decades of conversations with customers, he has learned to ask about their goals and everyday habits before pointing them toward a product.

In this episode, Chris and Dr. Michael Haley discuss how people choose supplements, why Chris keeps a smaller selection in his store, and how his thinking about diet has changed over the years. Chris also shares the ideas behind his book, Bend Over and Take It: What We’ve Been Fed and Told to Swallow About Our Health.

They cover:

• Questions to ask before buying a supplement

• Food and activity habits that can get overlooked

• Conflicting nutrition advice and diet trends

• How Chris chooses products for Gator Nutrition

• The difference between a personal experience and evidence that something will work for everyone

The conversation also includes the speakers’ opinions and personal experiences concerning cancer care and COVID-19. Those portions are presented for discussion, not as treatment recommendations.

RESOURCES

Read the episode post and transcript: https://drhaley.com/need-that-supplement/

Watch the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjegPA2wtAc

Chris’s book, Bend Over and Take It: https://www.amazon.com/Bend-Over-Take-Swallow-Health/dp/B0HG7MJT2G

Gator Nutrition on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/GatorNutrition

Gator Nutrition on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/gatornutrition97/

Chris Ruppe on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisruppe/

More episodes of The Dr. Haley Show: https://drhaley.com/

This episode is for educational and informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Do not change a medication, supplement, diet, or treatment based solely on this conversation; discuss personal health decisions with a qualified healthcare professional.

Why can the same herb help one person yet do little—or even create problems—for someone else?

Clinical herbalist Bonnie D’Arcangelo says one reason is that people often use herbs as though they were generic pharmaceuticals: match one popular supplement to one symptom and hope for a predictable result. Herbal medicine, she explains, is more complex—and “natural” does not automatically mean safe.

In this episode of The Dr. Haley Show, Bonnie joins Dr. Michael Haley to explain why herbal medicine is not one-size-fits-all. They discuss individualized herbal formulas, herb-drug interactions, tinctures, topical delivery systems, orthosilicic acid, chronic pain, diabetic wound research, phantom-limb pain, and the importance of separating published evidence from clinical observation, personal testimony, theory, and spiritual belief.

The conversation also explores Bonnie’s unconventional views about plant consciousness, the etheric body, intention during harvesting, and the relationship between people and medicinal plants.

ABOUT BONNIE D’ARCANGELO

Bonnie D’Arcangelo is a clinical herbalist, holistic health consultant, herbal formulator, and botanical conservationist. She holds a Master of Science in Herbal Medicine, completed advanced clinical herbalism training through David Winston’s Center for Herbal Studies, is a certified aromatherapist, and is pursuing doctoral studies in integrative health.

Bonnie is the founder of Botanical Healing Arts, co-founder and formulator of Ætherbal, and founder and president of Michigan Protects, a nonprofit working to preserve native medicinal plants at risk of disappearing from the wild.

RESOURCES

Complete article, video, resources, and transcript:

https://drhaley.com/herbal-medicine-not-one-size-fits-all/

Bonnie D’Arcangelo’s resource hub:

https://bonniedarcangelo.com/

Botanical Healing Arts:

https://botanicalhealingarts.com/

Ætherbal herbal topical products:

https://www.aetherbal.com/

Michigan Protects:

https://michiganprotects.org/

Ætherbal on Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/aetherbal/

Ætherbal on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/aetherbal_topicals/

Ætherbal on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@AEtherbal

EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 Why herbal medicine is not automatically safe

00:45 Introducing Bonnie D’Arcangelo

05:13 Bonnie’s journey from childhood illness to herbal medicine

10:00 Integrating herbal medicine with conventional medical care

15:08 Herb-drug interactions and the principles of herbal formulation

18:54 Why single-herb approaches and popular supplements may fail

20:14 An example of individualized herbal formulation

23:41 Comparing tinctures, capsules, and topical delivery

27:39 What evidence supports Bonnie’s transdermal delivery system?

31:12 Amphiphilic delivery, hyaluronic acid, oil, and water

36:05 Orthosilicic acid and the patent-pending formulation

42:01 Research goals involving diabetic wounds and breast cancer

47:17 Neuropathy, chronic pain, and the stories behind Bonnie’s products

50:56 Phantom-limb pain, anecdotal results, and spiritual interpretation

55:34 Plant signaling, harvesting, intention, and consciousness

59:44 Rapid-fire questions about herbs and herbalists

1:03:02 Advice for people discouraged by unsuccessful natural remedies

KEY TAKEAWAY

Herbal medicine is not simply a matter of matching an herb to a diagnosis. According to Bonnie, responsible herbal practice considers the individual, the possible causes underlying the symptoms, the qualities and interactions of multiple herbs, the delivery method, dosage, and any medications the person already uses.

The episode also illustrates why different types of evidence should not be treated as interchangeable. Published research, plausible mechanisms, clinical observations, testimonials, traditional practices, and spiritual beliefs may all inspire questions, but they do not establish a claim with the same degree of certainty.

ABOUT THE DR. HALEY SHOW

The Dr. Haley Show explores natural health, nutrition, emerging research, unconventional ideas, and the foundational practices that help people pursue better health. Follow or subscribe so you do not miss future conversations with practitioners, researchers, innovators, and health radicals.

Explore more episodes, complete articles, guest resources, and transcripts:

https://drhaley.com/

MEDICAL DISCLAIMER

This podcast is provided for educational and informational purposes only and does not constitute medical advice. The experiences and opinions discussed are those of the speakers and should not replace diagnosis or treatment from a qualified healthcare professional. Do not begin, discontinue, or change any medication, supplement, diet, or treatment based solely on this episode.

What happens when the strategies that once kept you lean and energized—eating less, exercising harder, and pushing through fatigue—stop working?

In this episode of The Dr. Haley Show, Dr. Michael Haley speaks with Bria Gadd, also known as The Period Whisperer, about the accumulated strain she calls “health debt.”

Bria explains how chronic stress, inadequate recovery, under-fueling, poor sleep, illness, and demanding exercise can leave the body without enough energy to meet its daily demands. Although health debt can affect both men and women, the additional demands of perimenopause may make underlying problems much harder to ignore.

Dr. Haley and Bria discuss why stubborn weight is not always a discipline problem, how excessive exercise can become another expense the body cannot afford, why protein and recovery matter, and what waking between 2:00 and 4:00 a.m. may reveal.

They also explore symptom tracking, blood-sugar regulation, caffeine, hormones, gut health, and functional tests such as DUTCH hormone testing, GI-MAP stool testing, thyroid panels, minerals, and comprehensive blood chemistry.

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

• What Bria means by “health debt”

• How energy supply and energy demand affect the body

• Why perimenopause may expose problems that were already developing

• Why eating less and exercising more can stop producing results

• How under-fueling and inadequate recovery may affect metabolism

• Why intense cardio is not always the best weight-loss strategy

• The importance of protein, balanced meals, and eating earlier in the day

• Why coffee may provide stimulation without correcting low energy

• How caffeine or blood-sugar dysregulation may contribute to nighttime waking

• Why resistance training must be supported by nutrition and recovery

• How tracking food, energy, mood, digestion, and cravings can reveal patterns

• Where functional laboratory testing may fit

• The difference between functional support and licensed medical care

EPISODE TIMESTAMPS:

00:00 — Why the body protects its energy

00:55 — Why eating less and exercising harder may stop working

02:29 — Introducing Bria Gadd, The Period Whisperer

04:24 — Can men accumulate health debt too?

07:33 — Energy supply, energy demand, and health debt

10:04 — How Bria accumulated her own health debt

13:19 — When exercise becomes another burden

15:15 — Strength training, mobility, and recovery

17:51 — Why more cardio may not produce weight loss

20:05 — Midlife nutrition mistakes and inadequate protein

22:47 — How long should you fast?

25:27 — Why coffee is not breakfast

27:07 — Eating 1,400 calories while gaining weight

29:23 — Sleep, recovery, and waking during the night

33:00 — Caffeine, blood sugar, and 2:00 a.m. waking

34:53 — Measuring symptoms and tracking progress

38:31 — Hormones, peptides, and foundational health

40:22 — DUTCH hormone testing and GI-MAP testing

42:12 — Individualized gut-health protocols

44:01 — Bria’s professional scope and working with doctors

48:25 — How to work with Bria

48:48 — The opportunity hidden within perimenopause

ABOUT BRIA GADD:

Bria Gadd, known as The Period Whisperer, is a Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® Practitioner, certified holistic health coach, certified personal trainer, and educator specializing in perimenopause and menopause.

After experiencing weight gain, fatigue, disrupted sleep, anxiety, and changing periods while following the nutrition and exercise strategies that had previously worked for her, Bria began investigating the relationships among energy availability, recovery, hormones, metabolism, stress, sleep, nutrition, exercise, and gut health.

She now helps women understand the patterns behind their symptoms and develop individualized strategies intended to support energy, strength, metabolic health, and quality of life. She is also the host of The Period Whisperer Podcast.

CONNECT WITH BRIA GADD:

Website:

https://www.briatheperiodwhisperer.com/

Work with Bria:

https://www.briatheperiodwhisperer.com/Coaching

The Period Whisperer Podcast:

https://www.briatheperiodwhisperer.com/the-period-whisperer-podcast

YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@bria_period_whisperer

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/bria_period_whisperer/

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/BriaThePeriodWhisperer/

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bria-gadd

Midlife Mojo:

https://www.skool.com/midlife-mojo-1786/about

EPISODE RESOURCES:

Read the complete article and transcript:

https://drhaley.com/health-debt-perimenopause/

Watch the interview on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPLRmMMQlxE

Visit The Dr. Haley Show:

https://drhaley.com/

Explore Haley Nutrition:

https://haleynutrition.com/

Listen to the episode for the current Haley Nutrition listener coupon code.

This episode is provided for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always consult an appropriately qualified healthcare professional before changing your diet, exercise routine, medications, supplements, hormones, or healthcare plan. Bria Gadd is a non-prescribing Functional Diagnostic Nutrition Practitioner and does not diagnose, treat, or prescribe.

What happens when ozone enters your body—and why are people using ozone therapy through saunas, ozonated water, blood treatments and other applications?

In this episode of The Dr. Haley Show, Dr. Michael Haley speaks with Blake Miller, founder of Ozone Purity and the Ozone for Life movement. Blake has worked with ozone technology and holistic wellness for nearly three decades, focusing on ozone equipment, education and professional and home-based applications.

Blake explains how ozone is produced, describes several methods of administration and discusses why proponents believe controlled ozone exposure may influence oxygen utilization, energy, microorganisms and detoxification.

The conversation covers:

• The difference between ambient-air and medical ozone generators

• Why ozone should not be inhaled

• Ozone steam saunas

• Ozonated water

• Rectal insufflation and ear applications

• Autohemotherapy and IV ozone

• EBOO, or extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation

• Professional and home ozone equipment

• Questions surrounding dosage, evidence and safety

• Blake’s use of dark-field microscopy and live-blood analysis

QUICK TAKEAWAY

“Ozone therapy” is not one treatment. Ozonated water, an ozone steam sauna, rectal insufflation, autohemotherapy, EBOO and direct gas administration expose the body to ozone in substantially different ways.

Any proposed benefit or risk should be evaluated according to the particular route, concentration, dose, condition and quality of supporting evidence. Ozone should not be inhaled, and clinical applications require appropriately trained healthcare professionals.

EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 What ozone is and how it is produced

01:03 Ozone therapy: promise, controversy and safety

02:28 Introducing Blake Miller

03:12 Dr. Haley’s previous experience with ozone generators

04:45 Ambient-air ozone versus medical ozone

05:50 IV ozone and autohemotherapy explained

07:12 Ozone saunas and rectal insufflation

09:17 How rectal ozone is administered

10:01 What happens to the O₃ molecule

11:04 Ozone dosing and potential dangers

11:40 Ear applications and neurological claims

12:24 Evidence, oxygen levels, fatigue and brain fog

15:03 The history of ozone therapy

16:14 Why Blake believes people use ozone today

17:24 EBOO and less-invasive home applications

18:53 How ozonated water is made

19:41 Ozone, bacteria, gut health and SIBO

21:16 Entry-level ozone applications

22:03 Home and professional ozone equipment

24:01 Measuring results and live-blood analysis

24:52 Heavy metals, toxicity and chronic fatigue

27:02 Where to find Blake Miller and Ozone Purity

RESOURCES

Read the complete episode notes and transcript:

https://drhaley.com/ozone-therapy-explained/

Ozone Purity:

https://ozonepurity.com/

The Ozone Guru on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/theozoneguru/

The Ozone Guru on TikTok:

https://www.tiktok.com/@theozoneguru

Ozone Purity on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@OzonePurity

Blake Miller on LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/blake-miller-926b4a261/

FDA regulation concerning ozone-generating devices:

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-21/chapter-I/subchapter-H/part-801/subpart-H/section-801.415

Related episode—Chronic Fatigue and the “Toxic Five” with Dr. Evan Hirsch:

https://drhaley.com/chronic-fatigue-toxic-five/

Visit Haley Nutrition and listen to the podcast for the current listener coupon code:

https://haleynutrition.com/

MEDICAL DISCLAIMER

This episode is provided for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. The views expressed by the guest are his own and do not necessarily represent those of Dr. Michael Haley, The Dr. Haley Show or Haley Nutrition.

Some claims discussed in this episode remain controversial or have not been established through high-quality clinical research. Ozone should not be inhaled. Consult an appropriately licensed healthcare professional before beginning, changing or discontinuing any treatment, especially a blood-based, injectable or other invasive procedure.

Why can someone feel profoundly exhausted even when routine blood work looks normal?

In this episode of The Dr. Haley Show, Dr. Michael Haley talks with Evan H. Hirsch, MD, known as the EnergyMD, about chronic fatigue syndrome (ME/CFS), Long COVID, post-exertional malaise, environmental exposures, nervous-system regulation, and the limitations Dr. Hirsch sees in relying on laboratory testing alone.

After struggling with chronic fatigue himself for five years, Dr. Hirsch began looking beyond conventional and functional medicine for answers. That journey led him to develop the EnergyMD Method and what he calls the “Toxic Five”: heavy metals, chemicals, mold, infections, and nervous-system dysfunction or trauma. :contentReference[oaicite:0]{index=0}

In this conversation, Dr. Hirsch explains:

• What separates chronic fatigue from ordinary tiredness

• The role of post-exertional malaise, brain fog, pain, and poor sleep

• How ME/CFS and Long COVID can overlap

• Why he believes laboratory testing can sometimes miss important contributors

• The “Toxic Five” framework

• His views on mold, heavy metals, infections, and environmental exposures

• His four-step EnergyMD Method

• Why he replaces deficiencies before addressing deeper toxicities

• What he means by “opening the exit pathways”

• Nervous-system and limbic-system retraining

• Breathwork, vagal stimulation, mindset, and parasympathetic activity

• Why he believes recovery often takes many months

• How he tracks energy and symptom improvement over time

Dr. Hirsch also discusses one of the more controversial aspects of his approach: treating suspected contributors even when laboratory testing does not confirm them. Dr. Haley challenges him on how to distinguish a helpful treatment reaction from an adverse response and how clinical experience should be weighed alongside testing and research.

The conversation concludes with an important message for people who have spent years looking for answers: keep asking why, continue looking for underlying contributors, and track progress over time rather than expecting an overnight recovery.

RESOURCES

Dr. Evan Hirsch / EnergyMD Method: https://www.energymdmethod.com/

Fix Your Fatigue Masterclass: https://fixyourfatigue.com/

Book — Fix Your Fatigue: https://www.energymdmethod.com/fyf-book

Episode page and full transcript: https://drhaley.com/chronic-fatigue-toxic-five/

Dr. Hirsch specifically recommends FixYourFatigue.com as the next place to learn more about his current approach and masterclass.

This podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. Statements made by guests represent their own views, clinical experience, and interpretation of the available evidence. Always consult an appropriately qualified healthcare professional regarding your individual health and treatment decisions.

Do you live with widespread pain, persistent fatigue, poor sleep, or brain fog—even though your medical tests keep coming back normal? Or is someone you love struggling with symptoms that other people cannot see or understand?

Fibromyalgia is real, but patients are still frequently dismissed, misunderstood, or told that their suffering is “all in their head.”

In Episode 152 of The Dr. Haley Show, Dr. Michael Haley speaks with fibromyalgia wellness expert Tami Stackelhouse about what fibromyalgia feels like, how it is diagnosed, what may trigger or amplify its symptoms, and why a lack of answers does not mean that meaningful improvement is impossible.

Tami was diagnosed with fibromyalgia in 2007 and eventually became disabled by her symptoms. After working with healthcare providers and a health coach—and developing a more individualized approach to caring for her body—she reached what her physician described as fibromyalgia remission.

Tami explains why fibromyalgia may overlap with or resemble conditions such as hypothyroidism, Hashimoto’s disease, ME/CFS, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, migraines, and sleep disorders. She also shares how discovering that she was waking approximately 45 times per hour changed her understanding of her own fatigue and pain.

Dr. Haley and Tami discuss:

• Why fibromyalgia is a real physical condition

• How fibromyalgia is diagnosed without one definitive test

• What fibromyalgia remission means

• Conditions that may mimic or accompany fibromyalgia

• Physical, emotional, and medical trauma as possible triggers

• Why fibromyalgia can amplify other sources of pain

• The importance of sleep and identifying sleep disorders

• How pacing helps patients budget limited energy

• The appropriate roles of medication and lifestyle changes

• Why knowing what to do is different from consistently doing it

• How a fibromyalgia coach complements medical care

• Nutrition, protein intake, and manageable dietary changes

• Mindset and learning to treat the body as an ally

• Tami’s Christian faith and how fibromyalgia gave her a deeper sense of purpose

• Why researchers should study people who have substantially improved

Tami also explains why she believes many people can feel considerably better. When Dr. Haley asks whether her estimate is supported by clinical research, she clearly identifies it as an observation drawn from her experience and coaching work rather than a published recovery rate.

ABOUT TAMI STACKELHOUSE

Tami Stackelhouse is an award-winning author, fibromyalgia wellness expert, founder of the International Fibromyalgia Coaching Institute, host of the Fibromyalgia Podcast®, and executive producer of the documentary INVISIBLE.

Today, Tami trains Certified Fibromyalgia Coaches® and Certified Fibromyalgia Advisors® and helps people develop individualized strategies for addressing pain, fatigue, poor sleep, brain fog, and the practical demands of living with fibromyalgia.

EPISODE RESOURCES

Complete show notes and transcript:

https://drhaley.com/fibromyalgia-not-all-in-your-head/

Tami Stackelhouse:

https://tamistackelhouse.com/

Fibromyalgia Podcast®:

https://fibromyalgiapodcast.com/

International Fibromyalgia Coaching Institute:

https://fibromyalgiacoachinginstitute.com/

Download Take Back Your Life:

https://takebackyourlifebook.com/

Fibromyalgia Wellness Style℠ Quiz:

https://fibroquiz.com/

Find a Certified Fibromyalgia Coach®:

https://findafibrocoach.com/

INVISIBLE documentary:

https://www.invisible-film.com/

CONNECT WITH TAMI

YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/@fibromyalgiawellness

Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/fibrocoach/

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/fibrocoach/

X:

https://x.com/fibrocoach

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamistackelhouse

Pinterest:

https://www.pinterest.com/fibrocoach/

CONNECT WITH THE DR. HALEY SHOW

Website:

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What if bread itself isn’t necessarily the problem—but the ways we grow grain, process flour, and make bread have fundamentally changed?

In Episode 151 of The Dr. Haley Show, Dr. Michael Haley welcomes German baker, engineer, author, and nutrition adviser Dr. Sven Mostegl. Their wide-ranging conversation explores traditional breadmaking, modern flour, sourdough cultures, wheat berries, gluten, fiber, and long fermentation.

Rather than declaring bread universally good or bad, Dr. Mostegl explains why the grain, milling process, ingredients, fermentation time, and craftsmanship can produce very different foods.

You’ll learn:

• How traditional bread differs from much of today’s packaged bread

• What happens after a wheat berry is milled into flour

• The advantages and limitations of grinding flour at home

• Why professionally milled flour is not necessarily inferior

• What long fermentation may change inside dough

• Why fermentation involves more than simply waiting a certain number of hours

• The difference between authentic sourdough and sourdough-flavored bread

• Where the yeasts and bacteria in a sourdough starter come from

• How commercial yeast changed bread production

• Why whole-grain flour and proper preparation should be considered together

• How wheat, spelt, einkorn, and rye differ in breadmaking

• Why rye is Dr. Mostegl’s favorite grain

• How fiber, bread structure, and fermentation may influence blood sugar

• Which questions to ask when buying bread from a bakery

• What equipment a beginning home baker actually needs

• Why learning to handle dough by hand can be valuable before using machinery

• How consumer choices can influence what bakeries and manufacturers produce

Dr. Mostegl also discusses breadmaking as a tactile, meditative, and even spiritual practice. Working with dough teaches the baker to respond to temperature, humidity, hydration, flour, starter activity, and the changing condition of the dough—not merely follow a clock.

IMPORTANT CELIAC DISEASE DISTINCTION

Ordinary wheat, rye, or barley sourdough should not be presumed safe for someone with celiac disease. Fermentation can modify components of the dough, but traditionally fermented bread may still contain clinically significant gluten.

EPISODE RESOURCES

Read the complete article, watch the interview, and access the full transcript: https://drhaley.com/bread-fermentation-sven-mostegl/

Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/UmqcdtIaoNg

LEARN MORE ABOUT DR. SVEN MOSTEGL:

Official Website: https://sventhebaker.com/

About Dr. Sven Mostegl: https://sventhebaker.com/about

All Links and Social Channels: https://linktr.ee/drsvenmostegl

Baking Classes: https://sventhebaker.com/baking-classes

Online Courses: https://sventhebaker.com/online-course

Bread Calculator: https://sventhebaker.com/bread-calculator

Books and Publications: https://sventhebaker.com/buecher

BOOKS BY DR. SVEN MOSTEGL

The Bread Revolution: Why Grain Is Healthier Than Many People Think, and How We Can Use It to Feed the World

English edition: https://www.amazon.com/dp/3903521884

Die Brot-Revolution German edition: https://www.amazon.com/dp/3903660361

Amazon Author Page: https://www.amazon.com/Sven-Mostegl/e/B0FK5HHK2G

FOLLOW DR. SVEN MOSTEGL

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/sventhebaker/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/drsventhebaker/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sven-mostegl/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@svenmostegloffical

ABOUT DR. SVEN MOSTEGL

Dr. Sven Mostegl is a German professional baker, PhD engineer, author, trained nutrition adviser, and health educator based in Dubai. With decades of experience in food and baking, his work connects fully fermented foods, nutrition, the microbiome, and metabolic health.

Through his books, baking classes, and educational work, he challenges common assumptions about food and translates complex topics into practical ideas for everyday life. His goal is to help people better understand what they eat, how their bodies work, and how everyday choices may support a healthier and happier life.

ABOUT THE DR. HALEY SHOW

The Dr. Haley Show explores health, nutrition, natural living, and the evidence behind the claims that shape our decisions. Host Dr. Michael Haley speaks with clinicians, researchers, authors, entrepreneurs, and other experts whose experience can help listeners ask better questions and make better-informed choices.

Learn more: https://drhaley.com/

MEDICAL DISCLAIMER

This episode is provided for educational and informational purposes only and is not medical advice. Statements made by the guest represent his perspectives and should not be interpreted as universally applicable medical or nutritional recommendations. Consult an appropriately qualified healthcare professional before making significant dietary changes, especially if you have celiac disease, wheat allergy, diabetes, digestive disease, or another medical condition.