On this episode of #TheGlobalExchange, Colin Robertson sits down with Dr. Meredith Lilly, Jonathan Fried and Thomas d’Aquino to discuss their new paper as members of The Canada-U.S. Expert Group, "Between the Eagle and the Dragon: Managing Canada-China Relations in a Shifting Geopolitical Reality". This paper is a collaboration between The Norman Paterson School of International Affairs at Carleton University, Canadian Global Affairs Institute, and The School of Public Policy at the University of Calgary.

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Participants' bios

- Dr. Meredith Lilly is Professor and Simon Reisman Chair in International Economic Policy at Carleton University’s Norman Paterson School of International Affairs.

- Jonathan Fried served as Canadian Ambassador to Japan and the WTO, and the personal representative of the Prime Minister for the G20 and deputy minister and coordinator for international economic relations on Canada-Asia and global trade and economic policy.

- Thomas d'Aquino the founding CEO and president of what is now the Business Council of Canada.

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Host bio:

Colin Robertson is a former diplomat and Senior Advisor to the Canadian Global Affairs Institute.

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Reading Recommendations:

- "Between the Eagle and the Dragon: Managing Canada-China Relations in a Shifting Geopolitical Reality" by The Canada-U.S. Expert Group

- On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons From The Twentieth Century by Timothy Snyder

- The Crisis of Canadian Democracy by Andrew Coyne

- "Andrew Coyne’s ‘Cri de Coeur’ for Canadian Democracy" by Thomas d'Aquino

- The Third Revolution: Xi Jinping and the New Chinese State by Elizabeth C. Economy

- Booze, Cigarettes, and Constitutional Dust-Ups: Canada's Quest for Interprovincial Free Trade by Ryan Manucha

- Outrageous on Netflix

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Music Credit: Drew Phillips | Producer: Jordyn Carroll

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Recording Date: August 21, 2025

Release date:

August 26, 2025