My guest is James Stephen, whose book 'Auld Foes' chronicles the history of the world's oldest top-flight derby, Heart of Midlothian versus Hibernian in Edinburgh, Scotland.

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Check out Chris Lee's three books:

· Origin Stories: The Pioneers Who Took Football to the World

· The Defiant: A History of Football Against Fascism

· Shades of Green: A Journey into Irish Football