Wouldn’t it be wonderful if everyone – neurodivergent and neurotypical – celebrated our brains and unique ways of seeing and being in the world? If the world were set up to better support ALL of us? If no one was shamed simply for being the way they were?
‘For us late diagnosed ADHDers, there is that mourning and that grief and that loss and that rage around how different entire lives could have been had we known, but also if the world were different and if the world were more set up. Even now, kids struggle having accommodations made for them even though the accommodations would support everyone, not just the neurodivergent children.’
Episode 50 of The Feel Better Every Day Podcast
is out a little earlier to help you make the most of the whole week’s worth of
events. You can sign up at https://www.neurodiversityweek.com/events
I hope you enjoy my ADHD chat with the lovely
Jayne Leonard as we talk about what’s helped and is still helping us to befriend
and celebrate our own late diagnosed ADHD brains.
le grá (with love),
Evei
FULL TRANSCRIPT
And yeah, I think just celebrate it, own it,
you know, allow it, accept it. It's not going to change, so you might as well
work with it and, you know, make space for it. Yeah.
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Welcome to The Feel Better Every Day Podcast.
I've got my vegan, ADHD, late diagnosed friend Jayne Leonard here again.
Thank you so much for joining me.
Thanks, Eve, looking forward to this episode.
So we're talking about the Neurodiversity
Celebration Week, which I did not write about in 365 Ways to Feel Better,
Self-care Ideas for Embodied Wellbeing, because when I wrote this, even
though I'd had a brain scan that showed an abnormality that correlated with
ADHD, I was years and years away from self-diagnosis, let alone actual
psychiatric diagnosis with ADHD.
But I think the whole world has woken up to
the fact that we are not all the same and it's a good thing and that there's
nothing necessarily wrong with anyone. It's simply about differently wired
brains and about conditions that support us rather than trying to fit round
pegs into square holes, in which case everyone comes out feeling like if you're
not completely normal, like what's normal, that there's something wrong with
you. And I'm thinking it's not that long ago that left-handed children would have
their hands tied behind their back to force them to write with their
non-dominant hand. How sadistic was that?
And I think for us late diagnosed ADHDers,
there is that mourning and that grief and that loss and that rage around how
different entire lives could have been had we known, but also if the world were
different and if the world were more set up. Even now, kids struggle having
accommodations made for them even though the accommodations would support
everyone, not just the neurodivergent children.
We wanted to just share a little bit about the
things we celebrate about our differently wired brains and what we'd like to
see more of for everyone.
Yeah, I love this. I love this topic. It's
definitely something I really do celebrate. I think even before I even thought
I might have ADHD, I used to love this part of me that could hyper-focus and
get so much done and learn so much about a topic. I did really well in certain
areas because of this. I used to call it my superpower and my friends, my
family say you're like superwoman, but I almost like over-identified with that.
So then, you know, the times when you have to
rest or you have the bit of the ADHD burnout, I would really berate myself, you
know. But now I think I've found the balance of I'm celebrating this, but also
recognising I need the downtime as well, the recovery period. Yeah.
Just for those of you who don't know, Jayne is
incredible. Not only is she a busy psychotherapist, she's Vice Chair, my deputy
on the Editorial Committee for the Irish Journal of Counselling and
Psychotherapy (IJCP), and she is doing her PhD. I don't know if you
want to say a tiny bit about your PhD and the amazing study you're a big part
of?
Yeah, well, just very briefly, I suppose, as I
was on your podcast before (episodes 28, 42 and 45) talking about food and
mental health and wellbeing.
So that's kind of the area of my study: How we
can use food to support us to feel better. And not just in terms of the actual
nutrition from the food, but also our relationship with the food, the
relationship it has to our culture, our identity, our social lives and the
social aspect of food. And so, yeah, I'm doing a PhD on that. We'll see how it goes now. We'll see how
incredible I am. I'm only a few months into it. We'll see how the burnout goes.
Well, this is it. I think knowing you as a
friend as well and knowing your schedule and just thinking, oh, my God/dess. And I also know that people hear some of what
I'm doing, which I consider completely normal. And they'll be like, oh, my God/dess,
what are you doing?
I've learned to build in rest. Like in my desk
diary, I've used purple highlighter to like carve out like a long lunch break
as many days as I can for a longer yoga nidra. I've used like pink highlighter to take (most) weekends off because
for so many years I was doing overlapping trainings in different types of
therapies and coaching and so much.
It's that challenge to honour the whole cycle,
not just the hyperfocus, but the burnout, the days where getting dressed just
feels impossible.
Yeah, I even booked a few nights away from
myself, you know, in Kerry last week, just so I could hyperfocus. And then I had the downtime after and it's
just, yeah, I think celebrating it is working with this rather than
expecting yourself to be either really super focused all the time or have it
act like someone who has a neurotypical brain or whatever that is. It's just
allowing it, working with it, like you said.
Yeah. And like when you said acting like
someone who has a neurotypical brain, I think like so many of us, we only know
our own brains. I mean, I grew up being called weird, but mostly in a friendly
way. And I was
happy to identify as a weird, but I think understanding where it's like, life
could have been so different.
But things like around nutrition, I remember
learning a good bit as part of my yoga therapy training, and how important it
was for developing brains. And like, I remember back then, in my 30s, then
thinking, oh, it's too late. I should have been eating better. I was vegetarian from the age of
like 11 or 12 and I didn't like vegetables. And I was pretty much malnourished. I had a growth spurt when I went
back to eating meat for a while at 17! I've been vegan now, since 2017. And I do eat much better but there is still
that strong, kind of like the questions around food were really like, oh, wow,
I really thought that was just me. Whereas now I celebrate the mushing up of my
food. And like,
sorry, loved ones who happen to be with me. But it just tastes so much better
like this.
Yeah, absolutely celebrate the differences,
you know, rather than trying to hide them or trying to change them.
Yeah. Like how important it is with ADHD to
have protein with breakfast. Like before we started our recordings today, wholemeal
toast, peanut butter, little bit of Vego (vegan chocolate spread) and mushed
banana. And it's
like, I spent decades being told by everyone, I should be having proper
breakfast. When I was at school, I might have ice cream for breakfast or
bourbon biscuits. And it's like, don't tell me what to do.
That's defiance. Yeah. Pathological Demand Avoidance.
Yeah. Even from myself! But I think
celebrating is even like saying, ‘Oh, well, that demand avoidance actually
served me in some situations. Yeah. And recognising now like, nope, I'm giving myself that protein
now, like at 49, I hope to have many, many decades to come and I'm doing what I
can to rectify that. And it is never too late, actually.
It's never too late to start eating well or
taking care of yourself or speaking to yourself more kindly or celebrating your
differences or whatever it is.
We're going to talk a bit more about what we
do to celebrate neurodiversity for the Half Moon recording, which if you would
like access to, you can subscribe for free at evemc.substack.com. You'd think
I've said this enough times. You'd think I'd know it off by heart. Well, I do know it off by heart. Compassion.
So hope you can join us there.
Thank you for listening to this so far. Jayne,
anything to add before we move to that?
I've lots to add, as I always say, I've lots
to add. Yeah, I think just celebrate it, own it, you know, allow it, accept it. It's not going to change. You might as well
work with it and make space for it. Yeah.
Thanks a million. Thanks. If you're a Half
Moon member of the Sole to Soul Circle, trauma- informed and ADHD-friendly Self
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conversation and talk about the importance of owning the ADHD and any other
things.
How even talking about it reduces the shame we
still often feel around certain traits. I hope you find that helpful. And for Full Moon and Supermoon members,
we go into more depth celebrating our differently wired brains, at least some
of the time, a lot of the time, but we're human. I hope you enjoy it.
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