Savannah and Julie finish their chocolate milk and PB&J to ramble on about topics not even meant for the podcast! A simple question about "what are you wearing" turns into a conversation about wrap dresses, the wind beneath a skirt, and how crossdressing men tend to take over lots of storage space. Then, the conversation turns to the benefits and risks of underdressing, being aware of revealing too much about your feminine life in your masculine existence, reveals to co-workers that lead to... no follow-up questions about your feminine persona... at all (awkward!), and how ignorance isn't a bad word and how it is easily overcome when you take a keener interest in what makes us all human.

Welcome to the second BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

How can any crossdressing men live a best life? It starts with the journey to self-discovery and ends with self-acceptance and gender expression ownership. And, in our current Western Culture, its important to understand the rewards for living an authentic life, as well as the risks for wanting to do so.

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In this episode, Savannah grills Julie on how she started the style and fashion consultancy of Fox and Hanger, as well as how she found herself fulfilling her desire to support and advocate for the LGBTQ+ community--specifically male-to-female crossdressers and trans women. Julie talked about her "first time" at a Halloween party from her past, Savannah soapboxes about feminine body image and crossdresser-specific feminine dysphoria, and they both share their hope for a better tomorrow.

Savannah is on the hot seat this episode as Julie peppers her with questions about her crossdressing. From her earliest crossdressing memories where Savannah realized she had an attraction to feminine clothing, to adolescent exploration of femininity in a time when information about a boy wanting to dress as a girl was scarce and stigmatic, Savannah bares all (in words only!) what it was like to grow up a teenager of the 80s and a grownup of the 90s wrestling with her own understanding of her feminine spirit. Toss in a recent move to the South and you have a wig-raising story!

Welcome to the first BLUE SKY episode! These are bite-sized for your listening pleasure!

What do we know about different types of crossdressers and what motivates them to dress? Julie and Savannah do a quick dive into the icy waters of the fringes where the sissies, baby dolls, and lolitas dwell. Why do people consider them more of a fetish than the typical head-to-toe feminine crossdresser? Why do we judge the for being different, without trying to understand the psychology of it all? Let's listen in!

In this episode, Julie Rubenstein, the co-founder and Style Consultant from Fox and Hanger, and Savannah Hauk, author of the "Living with Crossdressing" book series, continue to tackle the technical difficulties of starting a podcast without any pre-existing skills. Along the way, they find time to talk about Savannah's favorite Starbucks drink, her love for the baristas who have embraced her, the irony of Julie's daughter wondering why  "trans" is such a big deal, and their combined hope that the next generation's outlook on the LGBTQ+ community will affect permanent change away from a counter culture.

Julie and Savannah talk about how they met and how sharing a dream idea through email correspondence led to the creation of a podcast together From the chance meeting of a movie watch party after party, to a courteous exchange of pleasantries, to the sharing of an idea too big for either Savannah or Julie to tackle alone, this is their hopeful start of something big and important for male-to-female (MTF) crossdressers everywhere.... Welcome to the first episode of The Fox and the Phoenix.