The Future Belongs to Creators

When you build a side hustle from the ground up, you do everything by yourself, nurturing each aspect of your passion project as it grows. When it’s finally time to hire your first employee and start delegating, it can feel daunting and difficult. Especially if it’s someone you’re meeting for the first time who lives thousands of miles away. While challenging, it’s better not to wait until you’re completely overwhelmed to hire a helping hand. 

As a virtual assistant specializing in creative work, Chloe Anna is an expert at organization and time management, two skills creative people often need help with. While your creativity may have gotten you this far, your business needs people like Chloe if it’s ever going to survive and thrive. 

In this episode, Charli, Haley, and Miguel talk with Chloe about everything VA-related — when it’s time to hire, what to look for, how to delegate, and why VAs can save your side hustle. 

Main takeaways

• [08:04] Find a VA you can relate to on a personal level. This is someone you’ll be entrusting with your business, and having a personal relationship can make it a better experience.
• [09:55] When interviewing VAs, it’s important to nail down their availability, and be honest with the time commitment you’re expecting.
• [17:53] Great VAs need exceptional time and project management skills, organizational skills. And if you’re doing creative work, they need an eye for art as well. 
• [20:56] A great benefit of VAs is their ad-hoc status. You can bring them into special projects or quick tasks — it’s not the same level of responsibility as hiring a full-time employee. 
• [25:37] Instagram is a great place to find VAs. 
• [29:27] Virtual assistants and personal assistants are two different things. There is some crossover, but you should not be hiring a VA to do personal tasks and remain on-call 24-7.

Connect with our hosts

• Charli Prangley
• Haley Janicek
• Miguel Pou
• Chloe Anna
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Chloe’s Website
• Chloe on Instagram
• CharliMarieTV
• The cold email that got Chloe hired
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

As creators and entrepreneurs, our instinct is almost always to do everything, all at once, all by ourselves. We aspire toward a dream life and are willing to put in the work to live it. In this episode, Charli and Haley talk with Angel Marie, Creator Educator at ConvertKit, and a creator in her own right. 

Over the past year, Angel has learned a thing or two about balance, hustle, and doing it all. She worked full-time, traveling constantly, and managed to expand her side hustle along the way. In addition to her personal and professional aspirations, Angel wanted to give back whenever she could, volunteering on the weekends and investing in the communities she visited. 

If you’re a creator who wants to do it all but still keep your day job (plus a few side gigs), Angel breaks down the lessons she's learned about service, priorities, and developing as a creator, while paving the way for traveling entrepreneurs. 

Main takeaways

• [13:11] When balancing travel with work, it’s important to stay organized and always have a backup plan for WiFi and a workspace. 
• [18:39] Though we can try, it’s impossible to balance everything. Be aware of and intentional with your priorities. 
• [22:48] You don’t have to give up your side hustle to travel and work full-time. Simply pick and choose the parts of your side hustle that you plan to prioritize in this season of your life. 
• [23:57] Stay in a place for at least one month if you’re balancing work and traveling. Give yourself enough time to enjoy and explore each new location. Otherwise, you’ll feel rushed and the experience won’t be worth it. 
• [26:20] Do not allow yourself to fall into a vacation mindset. You won’t stay productive if you relax into the newness of each spot. 
• [28:09] Give yourself grace while balancing traveling and work. You won’t see everything and that’s ok. Whatever the location, it’s not going anywhere. 

Connect with our hosts

• Charli Prangley
• Haley Janicek
• Angel Marie
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Beauty In The Making
• Nathan Lowell 
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

Nowadays, it seems like every creator has a podcast. So what’s stopping you from buying a mic, sitting down, and starting a podcast of your own? If you’re afraid to take the leap for fear of failure, stage fright, or those dreaded awkward silences on a live podcast, hopefully, this episode quells those worries and inspires you to hit record. 

In this episode, Miguel and guest Ben Schoeffler chat about all things podcast creation. A product specialist at ConvertKit, Ben also knows a thing or two about hosting a podcast. With three different podcasts under his belt and years of experience on YouTube, he’s here to share insider tips for success and some of the mistakes he’s made along the way.

As a creator, it’s important to share your voice. It may be the medium of the moment, but it’s undeniable that podcasting is one of the easiest (and most cost-effective) ways to speak up.

Main takeaways

• [08:36] Don’t be afraid to break the “best practices” in podcasting. There are really no rules when it comes to podcasting. What makes you different might make you successful so don’t focus on being perfect. 
• [24:45] If you don’t want to commit to show notes, create a landing page for a specific episode to collect your followers’ information and market to those people.
• [26:48] Don’t tell yourself podcasting is hard. The barrier to entry is low for podcasting and repetition will make anything easier. 
• [27:58] Consider a live podcast. It allows you to interact with an audience and feel like you’re speaking to an audience rather than pressing record and talking into an empty void. 
• [28:40] Don’t be afraid of talking to an empty room. View those first few episodes as an opportunity to practice. 
• [33:04] If you want to be better at coming up with ideas for your podcast, read about copywriting. 

Connect with our hosts

• Miguel Pou
• Ben Schoeffler
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Ben On YouTube
• Shut Up, Brain
• Mysterious Universe
• StreamYard
• Zencastr
• The Future Belongs To Creators 116: How Platforms Are Responding To The Creator Economy 
• The New Rules of the “Creator Economy”
• Tested Advertising Methods by John Caples
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

Times are changing. As our culture slowly begins to normalize full-time creatorship, the economy is responding. Some shifts feel unexpected while others feel more predictable. Regardless, one thing is for certain: as creators, paying attention to these shifts is important to maintaining our creative freedom and loving the lifestyle we’ve built.

In this episode, Charli and Haley examine the sometimes puzzling moves made by companies capitalizing on creators, the parts of creatorhood finally valued by our modern economy, and the powers that fuel it. 

Main takeaways

• [04:05] Companies are trying to figure out the best way to incentivize creators to create exclusively on their platforms — but what’s the end game? Why is it important for creators to be exclusive on a platform? 
• [07:46] When a company pays a creator to be exclusive, it almost forces that creator to work for the company rather than for themselves. That creator is suddenly held more accountable and may ultimately lose creative freedom. 
• [10:46] Companies continuously focusing on exclusivity dilutes the ability for creators to easily diversify their streams of income. 
• [13:52] There’s been a snowball effect of one company after another recognizing the creator economy as something that’s collectively driving us forward. 
• [15:25] Companies are also recognizing the value of owning your audience. It will be interesting to see how companies outside of ESPs support that end goal. 
• [17:53] Platforms aren’t helping the creator middle-class succeed. Instead, they’re perpetuating the handful of highly successful creators. 

Connect with our hosts

• Charli Prangley
• Haley Janicek
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Creator Sessions
• The New Rules of the “Creator Economy”
• The Future Belongs To Creators 114: 1,000 True Fans
• Spotify
• Armchair Expert
• Valkyrae
• Design Life
• Apple Podcasts
• Mailchimp
• AWeber
• Flodesk
• The Future Belongs To Creators 115: The Realities of Trying to Make It in Music with Josh Logan
• Charlie D’amelio 
• Substack
• Tweet at ConvertKit
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free=

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

In a world obsessed with fame, fortune, and “making it,” the path to becoming a successful musician can feel daunting. But there are ways to realistically forge a career as a musical creator, and no one knows that journey better than Josh Logan. 

Josh always knew music was his destiny. But he wasn’t ready to jump head-first into life as a full-time performer. So he went to business school and landed a job in music management. As his career grew, he expanded into other areas, writing for professional musicians and even writing his own work. Eventually, Josh left life as a manager behind and began his career as a full-time musician. 

In this episode, Charli, Haley, Miguel, talk with Josh about the steps you can take to monetize your passion, how to handle the inevitable hardships, and why connecting with fans is the ultimate end goal. 

Main takeaways

• [05:44] Try having multiple things going at once in a way that’s manageable. Generating multiple streams of income or multiple outlets for creativity gives certain aspects of your career the financial means (and time) to grow. 
• [12:30] Our culture is terrible at celebrating the small wins. If you’re ever going to feel satisfaction as a musician (or creator of any kind) you have to learn to celebrate the successes rather than always looking for the next big thing. Sometimes that means detaching the sentimental wins from the financial.
• [17:46] Diversifying your income takes away this pressure to become a perfect and successful creator as fast as possible. 
• [24:26] Having a side hustle is nothing to be ashamed of. Letting your career fund your creativity is what allows you to take that side hustle to the next level.
• [26:22] Patreon is one of the best revenue generators for upcoming musicians. 
• [32:58] Having 1,000 true fans is difficult but possible if you put in the time.

Connect with our hosts

• Charli Prangley
• Haley Janicek
• Miguel Pou
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Josh’s Patreon
• Josh’s Website
• Josh on Twitter
• Josh on Facebook
• Josh on Instagram
• Songland
• Andry Grammer
• Red Grammer
• Position Music
• Creator Sessions
• Willie Jones on writing his American Dream | Creator Sessions
• 1,000 True Fans
• Jana Kramer
• Darius Rucker
• Rachel Platten
• Brittney Spencer
• Grand Ole Opry
• Patreon
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

What do you need to earn a living as a creator? What milestone must you hit before your life can revolve around your passions rather than a 9-5? While that milestone often feels obscure, an essay by Kevin Kelly outlines one straightforward rule for success: 1,000 true fans. 

In this episode, Charli, Haley, and Miguel discuss what it means to have 1,000 true fans, what defines a true fan, the benefit of quality over quantity, and why relationships always matter when it comes to fans. 

While you may have hundreds of thousands of subscribers on Youtube or one million followers on Instagram, do you really have 1,000 true fans? And is that number really what determines creator success? 

Main takeaways

• [07:38] Be intentional when building your subscriber list by focusing on your niche and giving the most value possible to people interested in that niche. So often we focus on quantity over quality, and the 1,000 true fans concept proves the value of quality. 
• [10:20] Having quality subscribers is beneficial for brands as well because they want influencers to have more engaged followers who are more likely to buy an endorsed product. 
• [19:26] The creators of which most people consider themselves true fans, are creators they feel a personal connection to, and relationship with. So building that relationship is essential for developing true fans. Most of the time, that aspect of your job as a creator can’t be outsourced. 
• [26:57] True fans are the source for generating more fans. They introduce new people to your work, so even if they’re not directly paying you for your products or services, they’re helping you generate revenue indirectly. 
• [28:40] There’s more to success than reaching a certain number. There’s a nuance to your income source as a creator, such as the products you develop, the price you sell it for, and the content you continue to create. 
• [35:27] People’s tastes and interests naturally change over time. Your true fans from five years ago may not be the same true fans you have today. In sum, never stop trying to generate new fans, no matter where you are in your journey. 

Connect with our hosts

• Charli Prangley
• Haley Janicek
• Miguel Pou
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Creator Sessions
• Craft & Commerce Conference 
• 1,000 True Fans
• Mariah Coz
• Julie Solomon
• Lady Gaga
• Tim McGraw
• Matt Ragland
• Tyrone Wells
• Creator Sessions: Musical Performance by Tyrone Wells
• Chris McAllister
• Everlane
• Figma
• Fall Out Boy
• From Boise
• Sketchnote Academy
• Dan Petty
• Heath Ceramics
• Urtext Films 
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

Do you cringe at the thought of networking? If you’re a creator who values authentic connections, maybe you do. But networking doesn’t have to be a sales-first interaction. In fact, networking effectively usually means focusing on the connection before the capital gain.

In this episode, Charli, Haley, and Miguel discuss the best ways to network as a creator, how to shift your mindset for success, and helpful tools for creators looking to connect. If you approach it the right way, networking can be something to look forward to rather than something you actively avoid. And while it may take some practice, networking is an important skill to master. Because the right conversation can transform your career.

Main takeaways

• [07:25] Set success metrics for your networking and focus on quality over quantity when you create them. For example, set a goal to connect with one person before an event. 
• [08:27] Setting success metrics before networking events is crucial because you’re less likely to be disappointed or feel discouraged. 
• [13:03] It’s never a good idea to approach a potential collaborator with a sales pitch or other business-related venture. You have to build real relationships with people for your network to pay off. 
• [16:34] You also don’t have to connect or look for the end outcome. You can (and should) chat with people about things completely unrelated to business. 
• [18:59] Twitter is a fantastic and underutilized place for creators to network. 
• [28:15] Prepare for networking events before you go. Look up who you may be talking to. This will help calm your nerves. 
• [29:43] If you want to get to know people but feel awkward, remind yourself that everyone wants to get to know people. Especially at an event, it’s not weird to walk up to someone and introduce yourself. Just be yourself and focus on building a connection.

Connect with our hosts

• Charli Prangley
• Haley Janicek
• Miguel Pou
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Creator Sessions
• Craft & Commerce Conference 
• World Domination Summit
• seanwes Conference
• Teddy Williams
• From Boise
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

Launching a newsletter sounds simple enough — until it’s week three and you’ve run out of content ideas. Or until your subscribers start falling away and you can’t figure out why.

In today’s episode, Charli and Miguel discuss tips and tricks for building a successful newsletter that keeps loyal subscribers scrolling and attracts new fans outside your niche. From launching a product, to picking a theme, to figuring out the technical parts in the middle, Charli and Miguel walk through the basics of running a newsletter that actually moves the needle. 

Main takeaways

• [08:15] The best newsletters typically have a theme. 
• [11:06] The hardest part of running a newsletter is pumping out content each week. Consistency is critical to success, but if you’re feeling burned out, consider bringing on a guest editor from time to time. 
• [15:54] Deciding on intervals for your newsletter can be tricky.  Maintaining a weekly newsletter can feel overwhelming. But on the other hand, if you only send once per month, there’s added pressure for that one monthly newsletter to be fantastic. 
• [18:09] Sending a newsletter weekly is just as valuable for you as it is for your audience because the habitual act of creating and shipping helps you build up that skill set. 
• [22:30] Newsletters aren’t right for every creator. To figure out if it’s right for you, consider your audience. What do they want to see? Who are you trying to help? And think of creators similar to you. What type of content would you want to see from them? 
• [27:49] Newsletters are a great way to keep your email list clean because they sometimes weed out the unengaged or uninterested. 

Connect with our hosts

• Charli Prangley
• Miguel Pou
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Marketing Design Dispatch
• Grayscale
• Notion
• ConvertKit’s Paid Newsletter Challenge 2021
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

ConvertKit’s mission is to help creators reach their audience and make a living doing what they love. That includes musicians – possibly the most mainstream of creators. If you’ve been following along, you may have caught wind that ConvertKit recently acquired FanBridge, an email marketing company geared toward musicians. 

In today’s episode, Charli, Haley, Miguel, and ConvertKit CEO Nathan Barry discuss the why behind ConvertKit’s acquisition, why emerging musicians need email, and why email is much deeper than Spotify and so much more than simply another marketing tool in your musical belt. 

Our Favorite Creators

• [10:01] Musicians are the creators many people admire the most. They also fuel our culture. Adding musicians to ConvertKit’s portfolio takes our message of supporting creators mainstream.
• [16:35] Email is not a discovery platform, it’s a connection platform. Emerging artists simply aren’t able to connect with fans and new listeners on sites like Spotify. Not to mention, emails can help you earn a living – selling merch, selling tickets – outside of the slice of revenue you earn for every Spotify stream.  
• [18:21] Email is where your superfans live and the email conversion rate is so much higher than the conversion rate on social media. Casual fans follow on social media. Superfans sign up for your email list. 
• [19:29] Owning your audience is hugely important and you can only own your audience via email. You can’t control when Spotify or Instagram will change the algorithm and delete your fanbase. 
• [22:52] Musicians can use email to foster those one-on-one conversations with fans, build stronger connections, and show off their voice. Given that most musicians are strong writers, writing emails is probably an undiscovered strength for musicians.
• [28:31] Every artist who is excelling or has excelled in email, has had an experience that has pushed them to start email. Don't wait for something to happen. Be proactive and start building your email list today. 

Connect with our hosts

• Charli Prangley
• Miguel Pou
• Haley Janicek
• Nathan Barry
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• Behind-The-Scenes Of Our First Acquisition
• Creator Sessions
• Mandy Moore Performs on Creator Sessions After a Decade Long Music Hiatus
• Craft & Commerce Conference 
• Pharrell Williams Masterclass with Students at NYU Clive Davis Institute
• Among Us
• CORPSE
• Taylor Swift
• Johnnyswim
• Songs With Strangers
• ConvertKit Plans to Bring Newsletters to Music Industry With FanBridge Acquisition
• Substack
• Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Newsletter
• Jenna Kutcher
• Kevin Hart
• I Can’t Make This Up: Life Lessons by Kevin Hart
• MailChimp
• SalesForce Marketing Cloud
• FanBridge
• Spotify
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram

As creators, we’re always fueled and inspired by other talented creators. Sometimes we’re even surprised by the ones who move us. Because it doesn’t matter what their specialty or background or audience size looks like – when someone speaks to you, it’s very hard not to listen. So who speaks to you? 

In today's episode, Haley and Miguel discuss the creators they love and the reasons these creators have a special place in their hearts and their feeds. From authors to woodworkers, athletes and teachers, these are the people who inspire us online and give creators a good name.

Our Favorite Creators

• [01:57] James Clear 
• [08:13] Ana White 
• [11:03] Alexis Teichmiller
• [11:29] Victoria Garrick
• [14:30] WheezyWaiter
• [17:23] Dr. Michael Gervais
• [23:15] Grady Hillhouse
• [27:36] Sharon Says So
• [30:18] Bear Rinehart
• [35:04] Bourbon Moth Woodworking

Connect with our hosts

• Miguel Pou
• Haley Janicek
  
  

Links

• Watch The Future Belongs to Creators on YouTube
• James Clear
• Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones by James Clear
• Craft & Commerce Conference 
• Ana White
• Alexis Teichmiller
• Deeper Life 
• Creating safe spaces for our mind and body with Victoria Garrick
• Victoria Garrick
• The Hidden Opponent
• Real Pod
• Athletes and Mental Health: The Hidden Opponent | Victoria Garrick | TEDxUSC
• Dear Media
• WheezyWaiter
• Dr. Michael Gervais
• Finding Mastery
• Compete to Create
• Warriors Edge
• Pete Carroll
• Armchair Expert (Dax Shepard)
• The Skinny Confidential
• Practical Engineering
• How Do Sinkholes Form? 
• Sharon Says So
• Sharon’s Workshops
• Creator Sessions
• Bear Rinehart Opens Up About Being An Artist on Creator Sessions
• Bear Rinehart
• NEEDTOBREATHE
• DistroTube
• Linux
• Codie Sanchez
• The Nathan Barry Show 029: Codie Sanchez - The Key to Becoming a Future Billionaire
• Bourbon Moth Woodworking
  
  

Got a story to tell on The Future Belongs to Creators podcast?

We'd love to have you on the show to talk about successes or failures you've experienced on your creator journey. Submit your story here!

Start building your audience for free

With ConvertKit landing pages, you can build a beautiful page for your project in just a few minutes. Choose colors, add photos, build a custom opt-in form, and add your copy. All without writing any code! Check out landingpages.new to get started.

Stay in touch

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• Twitter
• Facebook
• Instagram