Refugees from Ethiopia are currently fleeing across the border into Sudan. If this crisis plays out like many do, big aid agencies will soon begin setting up shop, organising camps, handing out food and water, and leading an organised response to those refugees. But what if things were done differently?

In this episode, Jeremy and Heba talk to three disruptors about their visions for alternative humanitarian action: Muthoni Wanyeki, the Regional Director for Africa at the Open Society Foundations; Paul Currion, recovering aid worker and reluctant innovator; and Simon O'Connell, the former head of Mercy Corps UK who is about to take on a role as CEO of SNV, an international development organisation based in The Netherlands.