In this podcast episode, Douglas Drossman, MD, and Johannah Ruddy MEd, discuss methods of destigmatizing chronic illness for patients and physicians, technology’s effect on the doctor-patient relationship and more.

•    Intro :02 •    Welcome to this episode of Gut Talk :23 •    The interview/about Drossman and Ruddy :30 •    About Ruddy’s professional and personal background regarding DGBI patients 1:40 •    For Ruddy: What was the transformative moment that made you want to get so involved in patient advocacy? 3:39 •    For Drossman: How do doctors talk more effectively to patients? 5:49 •    Chey and Drossman on the objectification of patients and physicians 9:00 •    Are there ways to teach people to re-inject the joy of the patient-physician interaction? … How do physicians re-frame the way that they think about interacting with patients? 10:00 •    Ruddy, Chey and Drossman on the value of narrative history taking 13:35 •    Drossman on the connection between psychosocial information and the onset and perpetuation of patient symptoms 15:29 •    Why are there such big gaps in care for patients with disorders of gut-brain interaction and visceral hypersensitivity? 16:00 •    About the Linedale study on clear language versus qualified language for IBS diagnoses 18:55 •    Chey on the flipsides of confident diagnoses 22:22 •    Do gastroenterologists and primary care doctors have the tools available to treat these conditions? 24:15 •    Thoughts on how technology has affected the physician-patient relationship 27:38 •    How do you deal with the systematic pressures that exist on most brick-and-mortar gastroenterologists today? 31:21 •    Tell us about the main goals and contents of your book, The Patient-Doctor Relationship and Gut Feelings: The Patient’s Story 32:38 •    What are the common threads that emerged from your studies in the book for doctors to think about? 34:03 •    Ruddy’s patient insights on where physicians can think about prioritizing in their care 36:47 •    Thank you, Dr. Drossman and Ms. Ruddy 38:33 •    Thanks for listening 39:14 Douglas Drossman, MD, is a professor emeritus of medicine and psychiatry in gastroenterology at UNC. He is a fellow of the American College of Physicians, a master of the American College of Gastroenterology, past-president of the American Psychosomatic Society. Johannah Ruddy, MEd, is an educator, researcher and writer and currently serves as the chief operating officer and executive director of the Rome Foundation. Ruddy co-founded and is the director of Tuesday Night IBS community on Twitter.      Check out: Gut Feelings: Disorders of Gut-Brain Interaction https://romedross.video/GutFeelingsWebsite and The Patient-Doctor Relationship and Gut Feelings: The Patient’s Story https://romedross.video/patient-story We’d love to hear from you! Send your comments/questions to [email protected]. Follow us on Twitter @HealioGastro @sameerkberry @umfoodoc. For more from Dr. Drossman, follow him on Twitter @DDrossman. For more from Ms. Ruddy, follow her on Twitter @JohannahRuddy.  Disclosures: Chey and Berry report no relevant financial disclosures. Drossman reports affiliation with Ardelyx, Rome Foundation. Ruddy reports affiliation with Biomerica, Mahana Therapeutics, Rome Foundation and Tuesday Night IBS.