For more than 30 years, the cybersecurity community has worked to increase the effectiveness of our cybersecurity and resilience efforts. Today we face an explosion of devices, the pervasiveness of software, the threat of adversarial capability, and the dependence of national capabilities on the cyber domain. These challenges demand that we think about how to achieve the future we need, which is the subject of a new series of podcasts, The Future of Cyber. In this episode, Bobbie Stempfley, director of the CERT Division of the SEI, explores the future of secure coding with Steve Lipner, the executive director of SAFECode and former director of software security at Microsoft, where he created Microsoft's Security Development Lifecycle.