The Future Of Less Work

What happens when employment itself is declared obsolete—and a new model emerges, powered by AI, decentralized by design, and built around human value instead of job titles? Is traditional employment going away?

In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Deborah Perry Piscione, cofounder of the Work3 Institute and coauthor of Employment Is Dead, to explore what comes next when the employer-employee model no longer fits the world we live in.

From blockchain-based compensation to decentralized autonomous organizations (DAOs) and the rise of billion-dollar companies with no employees, Deborah lays out a provocative but optimistic roadmap for a post-employment future. Together, they unpack why the 9-to-5 job is dissolving, what’s replacing it, and how we can redesign work to be more human, fair, and purposeful. Deborah shares why the old social contract is collapsing, how families and communities might re-emerge as economic anchors, and what today’s workers—and leaders—need to know about thriving in a world where AI handles the skills and people bring the purpose.

If you’ve ever wondered what happens after the job, how to build meaning and value in a world without fixed employment, or how to prepare for the seismic shifts already underway—this is a conversation you won’t want to miss.

https://youtu.be/zu1uvgRcCDY

Guest Information:

Deborah Perry Piscione is cofounder of the Work3 Institute, an AI and Web3 advisory firm. She is also a Silicon Valley serial entrepreneur, venture capitalist, and innovation and future-of-work thought leader. She is the author of multiple books, including the New York Times bestseller Secrets of Silicon Valley. She was previously a staffer in the U.S. Congress and at the White House, and she served as an on-air commentator on CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News.

Chapters:

00:00 – Is Employment Dead?
01:40 – Why the Job Market Is Changing Faster Than Expected
03:00 – What Will Be Left for Humans to Do?
05:25 – Is the Traditional Career Path Still Relevant?
07:00 – How Blockchain and DAOs Could Replace Companies
08:30 – What Happens When AI Does All the Work?
10:10 – Can One Person Build a Billion-Dollar Business?
11:30 – Will We Still Need Human Creativity in an AI World?
13:30 – What Is the New Social Contract for Work?
15:20 – Can Governments Redesign Economic Safety Nets?
17:30 – Will the Future of Work Be More Community-Based?
19:10 – What Should Young People Do in a Post-Employment World?
21:10 – Are College Degrees Still Worth It in the Age of AI?
22:00 – How Do You Build a Portfolio Career?
23:00 – Why We Need New Models for Learning and Work

What if the biggest barrier to AI success at work isn’t the technology—but the disconnect between how leaders think it’s being used and what’s actually happening on the ground?

In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Rich Veldran, CEO of GoTo, to unpack new research revealing a striking misalignment: while 87% of IT leaders believe employees understand AI, 82% of employees say they don’t. And more than half admit to using AI for high-stakes tasks they probably shouldn’t.

Together, they explore how this gap emerged, what it means for productivity, and why the real competitive advantage now lies in responsible adoption—not hype. From remote leadership and culture-building to the role of policy, training, and tool design, Rich shares what it takes to lead a fully remote, AI-augmented organization where humans still come first.

If you’re grappling with how to integrate AI, support distributed teams, or lead in a world where tech is outpacing readiness—this episode offers a practical, grounded, and human-centered perspective on what it takes to make AI actually work.

https://youtu.be/TTQEOfz91Dw

Guest Information:

Rich Veldran serves as GoTo’s Chief Executive Officer where he leads all aspects of the organization, including overall business and go-to-market strategy, technology innovation, customer engagement, operational excellence, and growth initiatives. 

Since joining GoTo in 2020 as CFO, he has been instrumental in rearchitecting the company’s business operations, leading a company transformation after it was taken private in 2019 and putting it on the path for renewed growth.  

In a career that spans more than 30 years of experience as a business and finance executive, Rich has led strategy, finance, and operations as CFO at Dun & Bradstreet, and held various leadership positions at Boston Consulting Group (BCG), ADP, and Procter & Gamble. He has built world-class operations, delivered meaningful business results, and created significant value for a range of stakeholders.  

Rich holds an MBA in Finance from Cornell University and a B.S. in Industrial Engineering and Operations Research from Cornell University. 

Link to The Pulse of Work in 2025: http://goto.com/pulse-of-work

Chapters:

00:00 — Future of Work and AI Disconnect
01:40 — Why Choose a Fully Remote Organization?
04:00 — How Remote Work Shapes Product Innovation
06:30 — What AI Adoption Gap Exists in Companies?
09:30 — How To Customize AI for Employees
12:00 — How to Keep Up With AI Tool Changes
13:10 — Why AI Policies Are Essential at Work
15:00 — What Should an AI Policy Include?
17:00 — Policy vs. Training: What’s More Important for AI?
20:30 — How To Design AI Tools Employees Will Use
23:30 — Will AI Replace Jobs or Improve Them?
25:30 — How Small Businesses Can Start Using AI
27:00 — How to Balance Human Leadership and AI

What does enterprise AI transformation look like? What does it really take to move beyond AI experiments and transform an entire enterprise? In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Dan Priest, Chief AI Officer at PwC US, to explore what happens when AI shifts from isolated use cases to a strategy for growth, innovation, and trust.

Drawing on insights from PwC’s latest AI Jobs Barometer, Nirit and Dan unpack how AI is reshaping business models, job design, and the skills we need to thrive. They explore why enterprise AI transformation isn’t just about cost savings—but about building new value, reimagining work at scale, and bringing people along for the journey.

Together, they offer a roadmap for leaders navigating this change—and explain why, in the age of AI, the real differentiator will always be human.

 Want to dive deeper into this topic? Read Nirit’s Forbes article, “⁠⁠⁠⁠Why Would Amazon Employees Help Build AI That Replaces Them?⁠“, to explore these ideas further. 

https://youtu.be/qMIy-80Zv-Q?si=02wkFZnBE6_LM5bs

Guest Information:

Dan Priest is the US Chief AI Officer for PwC, responsible for leading the firm and its clients in navigating the complexities of AI and harnessing its power. He spearheads the company’s historic $1 billion investment in AI technologies and works with major Fortune 100 companies to develop cutting-edge AI-powered solutions. Priest is a renowned expert in AI and Cloud technology, with more than 25 years of experience as a tech and innovation leader.

Prior to his appointment as Chief AI Officer, Priest held various leadership roles within PwC, including Cloud & Digital Leader, where he played a pivotal role in executing digital transformations within a $2 billion P&L. He also served as the Technology, Media, and Telecommunications Vertical Leader, managing a $1 billion P&L. Additionally, he served as the leader for Strategy&, the PwC network’s strategy business.

Prior to joining PwC, Priest served as the VP and Chief Information Officer at Toyota Financial Services, leading a team of over 1,000 in driving the company's data, analytics, digital, and tech agenda. His outstanding achievements were recognized with the 2012 CIO Innovation Award for his groundbreaking work.

Priest holds a bachelor’s degree in Business and Japanese from California State University and Nanzan University, and a master’s of business administration degree from the University of Maryland.

find the PwC’s AI Jobs Barometer: https://www.pwc.com/gx/en/issues/artificial-intelligence/ai-jobs-barometer.html

Chapters:

00:00 – What Does Enterprise AI Transformation Look Like?
01:36 – How Will AI Reshape Work at Scale?
03:35 – Will AI Replace People?
07:25 – Why Humans Still Matter in an AI World
09:25 – Can AI Drive Structural Change in Business?
13:25 – How Do AI and Humans Work Together?
15:44 – Why Leaders Can’t Remove People Entirely
18:32 – Can AI Code Without Coders?
20:02 – What’s the Role of Leaders in Reskilling?
23:51 – Are We Seeing the End of Degrees?
25:20 – What New Skills Will AI Demand?
28:00 – How Will the Human Value Proposition Evolve?

What if our biggest workplace problem isn’t the volume of work—but the way our day is designed? In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Alexia Cambon, Head of Research for Copilot and the Future of Work at Microsoft, to explore groundbreaking new data from Microsoft 365.

Based on trillions of productivity signals—from emails and meetings to chats and app usage—Microsoft’s latest Work Trend Index reveals a sobering truth: today’s workday is infinite. We’re logging in before sunrise, chatting after dinner, and scrambling in a culture of last-minute meetings and constant interruptions.

Together, Nirit and Alexia unpack what this data really says about how work gets done, why focus time has become a mirage, and what needs to change—before we try to fix it all with AI.

 Want to dive deeper into this topic? Read Nirit’s Forbes article, “⁠Flexibility Was The Promise. The Infinite Workday Is The Reality.“, to explore these ideas further. 

https://youtu.be/50OiZkfFV6k

Guest Information:

Alexia Cambon, Head of Research for Copilot and Future of Work at Microsoft

Alexia leads research for the Future of Work & M365 team as a Senior Director at Microsoft, working to identify emerging research opportunities and delving into customers’ most pressing workforce challenges. She co-leads Microsoft’s cross-company research initiative examining AI’s impact on productivity and performance, and is a seasoned presenter and speaker with a passion for storytelling and creative thinking. Alexia's areas of focus include AI, hybrid work design, and organizational culture. Previously, she spent 10 years at Gartner as a leader of their cross-functional Future of Work Reinvented Initiative. She has written for HBR and The Guardian, and has been featured in NPR, Forbes and The Times (UK).

Link to report: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/worklab/work-trend-index/breaking-down-infinite-workday

Chapters:

00:00 – Why Are We Still Working After Hours? Microsoft’s Data Explained
01:22 – What Does a Head of Future of Work at Microsoft Do?
02:30 – Why the Workday Has Become Infinite
04:35 – How Last-Minute Culture Is Reshaping Our Workday
06:18 – Is Flexibility Creating an Infinite Workday?
07:28 – How Communication Overload Disrupts Focus
08:35 – Why Focus Time Is Disappearing in Modern Workdays
10:28 – How Meeting Overload Is Consuming Peak Brain Hours
12:14 – Are Ad Hoc Meetings Helpful or Hurting Productivity?
15:25 – How Hybrid Work Exposed Our Communication Gaps
16:45 – What Is the Triple Peak Day and Why Does It Matter?
19:07 – Will AI Make Work Better or Just Faster?
20:36 – How Frontier Firms Use AI to Redesign the Workday
22:01 – What Personal Boundaries Help Us Reclaim Our Day?
24:04 – How AI Is Changing Meetings and Focus Time
27:28 – New Ways AI Can Help Us Consume and Create Work Content
29:18 – What Mindset Do We Need to Work with AI Effectively?
31:02 – The New Social Contract: Why People Choose to Work

What if performance at work isn’t just about time, effort, or even skill—but energy?

In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Andrew Deutscher, founder of Regenerate and former VP at The Energy Project, to explore why the way we measure and manage performance is broken—and what it takes to fix it.

From redefining energy as a business construct to designing teams and systems that replenish rather than deplete, Andrew unpacks why organizations that treat energy as a core resource—not a wellness perk—will outperform those that don’t. They dive into the science of recovery, the myth of time management, and the rise of “agent bosses” managing both people and AI in a post-COVID world of work.

If you’re an HR leader, manager, or business decision-maker trying to navigate burnout, hybrid overload, or team alignment in an always-on world, this episode offers a radically practical reframe: sustainable performance starts with the energy to show up, think clearly, and recover intentionally.

https://youtu.be/BUbjPDGZI1Q

Guest Information:

Andrew Deutscher, Founder & CEO, Regenerate, is a recognized thought-leader in high-capacity leadership and sustainable performance, helping organizations address the root causes of exhaustion, overwhelm, and disengagement. With two decades of corporate leadership experience, Andrew knows firsthand what it takes to lead under pressure and what it costs when performance is built on depletion instead of energy.

After experiencing burnout at the peak of his career, Andrew didn’t just recover - he reinvented his approach to leadership. He immersed himself in the science of energy management, resilience, and human performance, ultimately translating these insights into practical tools for leaders and teams navigating today’s high-stress, always-on workplace.  Andrew advocates that well-being should be fully integrated into business strategy to become a true lever for sustainable success and lasting organizational resilience.

As the founder of Regenerate, Andrew works with global organizations through coaching, training, and consulting to unlock what he calls “capacity without compromise.” His work enables leaders to increase clarity, stamina, and collaboration while reducing stress and friction across teams. The result: high-performance cultures powered by sustainable energy—not overwork.

Clients consistently describe Andrew as a powerful voice in a crowded space - someone who blends executive credibility with deep wellness expertise and a compelling ability to shift mindsets and impact change.

Andrew’s digital report, The Hidden Cost of Overwork, is now available for download on his website. To learn more about Andrew’s work, visit regenerate.works or connect with him on LinkedIn. 

https://regenerate.works/hidden-cost-of-overwork-ebook/

Chapters:

00:00 – Why Energy, Not Time, Drives Performance
01:33 – What the Energy Project Got Right
03:07 – What Does Workplace Energy Really Mean?
04:52 – How Energy Shapes Focus and Output
07:16 – How to Align Work with Your Chronotype
09:14 – What Replenishes Energy During the Workday?
10:43 – Emotional Energy: Small Acts That Restore Us
12:05 – How Managers Can Role Model Energy Practices
13:52 – How to Set Boundaries in Hybrid Teams
16:58 – Why Burnout Is a System Problem, Not a Personal One
20:58 – How to Turn Energy into a Business Strategy
22:08 – What Belongs in a People Plan for Sustainable Work
24:02 – How to Measure and Personalize Energy Support
25:52 – Why Hybrid Teams Need Energy-Based Rules of Engagement
27:23 – What Happens When Leaders Prioritize Energy
30:38 – How Team Coaching Fuels Collective Energy
32:32 – Clarity, Alignment, and Commitment as Energy Tools
34:43 – Why Energy Creates Emotional Investment at Work
36:57 – What Less Work Really Means in the Future

What happens when freelance work gets rebuilt from the ground up—with AI at the core, output as the metric, and community replacing isolation?

In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Stacy Pavlyshyna and Roman Sevast, co-founders of Awesomic, to explore how they’re redesigning the infrastructure of creative work. From AI-powered talent matching to subscription-based design services and micro-iteration workflows, they’re challenging everything we thought we knew about freelancing, teams, and trust.

Stacy and Roman share why they believe hours worked shouldn’t define value, how freelancers can gain stability without losing flexibility, and what it takes to build culture when your “team” spans continents and clients. Together, they unpack a new model—one where people aren’t owned, but aligned around outcomes, growth, and shared purpose.

If you're rethinking how to work with freelancers, curious about the future of creative roles, or looking for a better way to scale talent without traditional hiring—this conversation is a must-listen.

https://youtu.be/ffdoD-n8GjI

Guest Information:

Stacy Pavlyshyna and Roman Sevast co-founded Awesomic, an AI-powered talent platform that instantly connects businesses with top-tier design, marketing and development experts, redefining how companies hire and scale globally. Backed by Y Combinator and built from their own experiences as founders, Awesomic replaces outdated freelance models with a system focused on speed, trust, and results—not hours worked. Both are Forbes 30 Under 30 honorees, and together they’re building the infrastructure for a new kind of work—one where creative talent has both flexibility and stability, and companies can scale with confidence.

Chapters:

01:33 – Should We Stop Measuring Work by Hours?
03:32 – Why Output Matters More Than Time
05:59 – What Sparked the Idea Behind Awesomic?
08:02 – What’s Broken in Traditional Freelance Platforms?
10:13 – How Micro-Iterations Improve Creative Work
11:59 – Can Freelancers Have Stability and Flexibility?
13:11 – Is Awesomic Building a New Kind of Gig Economy?
14:56 – How AI Is Automating Creative Project Management
15:51 – Why Creatives Need Choice and Control
17:57 – Can You Build Culture Without Employees?
19:55 – How Awesomic Builds a Global Creative Community
21:50 – What Is a Full-Stack Creative?
23:59 – How AI Is Reshaping Creative Work
25:47 – What Happens When Co-Founders Are Also Partners?
28:02 – How to Navigate Multiple Roles at Work and Life

What if the biggest risk to your organization isn’t burnout, disengagement, or even AI disruption—but a deeper, unnamed sense that something’s off?

In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Dr. Erin Eatough and Dr. Shonna Waters, co-founders of Fractional Insights, to unpack the rising levels of workplace angst—a leading indicator of underperformance, turnover, and apathy that traditional engagement metrics fail to capture.

Together, they introduce the Angst Index, a framework grounded in organizational psychology and data, and explore how unmet human needs—security, significance, and growth—are quietly undermining talent strategy and business results. From psychological ergonomics to AI-enabled job design, this episode is a call to rethink not just how we work, but how we design work to support human thriving in a fast-changing world.

If you’re leading organizational change, navigating the implications of AI, or trying to close the gap between what people need and what work delivers—this conversation offers a strategic and deeply human lens on what comes next.

https://youtu.be/3cYJZCdzABE

Guest Information:

Dr. Shonna Waters, Chief Executive Officer & Principal Advisor, Fractional Insights

An award-winning organizational psychologist and executive, Shonna is a recognized thought leader in HR, psychology, and business with over 100 articles, technical reports, book chapters, and books and over 100 conference talks, keynotes, and panels. With a background in consulting and executive leadership roles, Shonna has advised organizations on people strategy and transformation across various sectors. At BetterUp, she stood up and led teams in behavioral science, strategic partnerships and alliances, and executive advisory, driving research-backed insights to enhance organizational performance.

Link to full bio: https://www.fractionalinsights.ai/dr-shonna-waters 

Dr. Erin Eatough, Chief Science Officer & Principal Advisor, Fractional Insights

An award-winning research psychologist, author, and consultant, Erin brings a wealth of experience in employee well-being, work-life integration, and leadership development. She has been recognized for her research in improving performance and thriving at work and in life, with over 100 articles and book contributions across academic and popular press outlets such as the Journal of Applied Psychology and MIT Sloan Management Review.  As a former executive at BetterUp, Erin led Labs Go-to Market,  where her team used behavioral science insights to drive revenue and strategic growth.

Link to full bio: https://www.fractionalinsights.ai/dr-erin-eatough

https://www.fractionalinsights.ai/

Chapters:
00:00 – What Is Workplace Angst and Why Should Leaders Care?
03:15 – How Angst Became a Workplace Signal
05:40 – Why Naming Angst Matters for Organizational Change
07:00 – What Are the Root Causes of Angst at Work?
08:40 – How Unmet Needs Undermine Engagement
10:00 – How Can Organizations Reduce Insecurity at Work?
11:30 – What Levers Help Resolve Employee Angst?
13:00 – How to Design Work for Transparency and Trust?
14:40 – How Mayo Clinic Used AI to Empower Frontline Workers
16:15 – What Is Psychological Ergonomics?
18:00 – Why Growth and Learning Are Psychological Needs
20:40 – Can Angst Predict Turnover Before It Happens?
21:45 – What Should CHROs Do First to Address Angst?
23:00 – Why Leaders and Frontline Workers See AI Differently
25:30 – What Hidden Signals Should Leaders Pay Attention To?
28:40 – Are We Designing a Future Where Humans Still Matter?

What if fairness at work wasn’t just a value—but a system design challenge? In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Siri Chilazi, researcher at Harvard Kennedy School and co-author of Make Work Fair, to explore how we move beyond performative DEI and redesign the infrastructure of work for real equity.

From hiring and promotions to flexibility and team culture, Siri shares how behavioral science and process design—not mindset shifts—are the real levers for change. Together, they dive into why many well-intentioned programs fall short, what it means to move from “opt-in” to “opt-out” systems, and how anyone can become a “norm entrepreneur” and drive change from wherever they sit.

If you’re rethinking what makes work truly inclusive—and how to build a future where fairness drives performance, not just policy—this conversation is for you.

https://youtu.be/LBrQHv8zllI

Guest Information:

Siri Chilazi is the co-author of MAKE WORK FAIR: Data-Driven Design for Real Results. She is a senior researcher at the Women and Public Policy Program at Harvard Kennedy School whose life’s work is to advance gender equality in the workplace. As a keynote speaker and strategic advisor, Siri collaborates with a wide range of organizations around the world. Her work regularly appears in leading media outlets. Siri has an MBA from Harvard Business School, a Master’s in Public Policy from Harvard Kennedy School, and a BA in Chemistry and Physics from Harvard College. 

Chapters:

00:00 – Why Fairness Is the Foundation of the Future of Work
01:32 – What Does It Mean to Make Work Fair?
03:22 – Why DEI Efforts Haven’t Delivered Real Change
05:10 – How to Redesign Work for Fairness?
07:17 – Why Bias Training Doesn’t Work (and What Does)
09:58 – What Small Process Changes Can Make Promotions More Equitable
11:38 – Can Managers Spot Talent Without Bias?
13:09 – What the Data Really Says About Remote and Flexible Work
15:16 – Why Managers Struggle with Flexibility (and How to Help Them)
16:58 – What Is a Norm Entrepreneur?
18:31 – What COVID Taught Us About Inclusion and Participation
20:27 – How to Build Inclusion into Everyday Team Norms
22:11 – Why Fairness Is Just Smart Management

What happens when you stop organizing work around timelines and tasks—and start designing it around value, outcomes, and real capability?
In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Alex Adamopoulos, CEO of Emergn, to explore how organizations can move from project-based to product-based models, and why that shift changes everything—from how teams are structured to how people learn.

Together, they unpack why stable, cross-functional teams matter more than org charts, how to turn learning into part of the work (not a pause from it), and why training for today’s tools isn’t enough—we need to build the mindsets for whatever comes next. Alex shares how Praxis, Emergn’s learning platform, helps companies build real capability inside the flow of work, and why the most important question leaders should ask is: “If you had a great idea today, how long would it take to get it into the hands of a customer?”

If you’re rethinking how your teams are structured, how you deliver value, or how to equip people for faster, more continuous transformation—this episode is a must-listen.

https://youtu.be/3v0y1YUBS3g

Guest Information:

Alex Adamopoulos, a seasoned executive with over 30 years of experience, is a proven leader in driving organizational transformation through innovative business practices and technology adoption. Under Alex's leadership as CEO, Emergn has established itself as a trusted partner, empowering organizations to accelerate change, enhance their capabilities, and achieve sustainable business outcomes. He is a sought-after speaker, author, and mentor, inspiring and guiding the next generation of business leaders.

Chapters:

00:00 – What Are Work Charts and Why Do They Matter?
02:10 – What's the Difference Between Project and Product based work?
04:30 – How Do Fusion Teams Accelerate Product Delivery?
06:50 – What’s the Shift from Tasks to Outcomes in Product Teams?
10:40 – How Early Marketing Input Prevents Product Waste
14:15 – Why Capability Building Matters More Than Process?
16:30 – How To Enable Work-Based Learning?
18:00 – What Makes Product Management a Future-Proof Skill?
19:50 – How Leaders Should Rethink Digital and Learning Budgets
22:30 – What Causes Transformation Fatigue and How to Fix It
24:30 – How to Redesign Teams Around Value Streams
26:00 – How AI Can Accelerate Learning and Execution in Product Work

What happens when the most important skill for the future of work isn’t technical—but navigational? In this episode of The Future of Less Work, host Nirit Cohen sits down with Hans Meeder, former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Education and author of Preparing Tomorrow’s Workforce, to explore why career navigation may be the defining capability of our time.

From middle school classrooms to mid-career reinvention, they dive into the tools we need to thrive in a world where linear career paths no longer apply. Hans shares why the “college-first” mindset is breaking down, how career-connected learning is helping students find purpose earlier, and what it takes to align education with a rapidly shifting labor market.

If you're rethinking your own path—or helping others build theirs—this conversation is essential listening. Discover how to navigate work when the map is constantly changing.

https://youtu.be/gDBui04HrlQ

Guest Information:

Hans Meeder is an author, speaker, and consultant dedicated to empowering youth with the Career Navigation Skillset—tools essential for success in today’s rapidly evolving world of work. A former U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Education, Hans has spent decades advancing career and technical education, high school redesign, and workforce development. He is the author of Preparing Tomorrow’s Workforce and several other influential resources on career-connected learning. Today, he continues his advocacy as Senior Fellow for Education and Workforce Innovation at YouScience and leads Blue Crab Talent Strategy, helping schools and communities integrate meaningful career exploration into every student’s journey.

www.BCTStrategy.com

Chapters:

00:00 – Why We Must Teach Career Navigation Early
01:22 – When Your Degree Doesn’t Match Your Career
02:48 – From Career Ladders to Rock Climbing Walls
04:16 – The 3 Skills Every Career Navigator Needs
06:12 – Middle School Is the Right Time to Start Career Training
07:47 – A School That’s Doing Career Navigation Right
09:17 – What Parents Can Do to Support Career Exploration
11:20 – The Collapse of the “College-First” Mindset
13:20 – Why Learning to Learn Is the Real Advantage
15:13 – How Skilled Trades Stay Relevant in a Tech World
16:30 – Lifelong Learning vs. Lifelong Schooling
18:41 – Why Entrepreneurial Skills Matter for Everyone
20:36 – Reinventing Yourself in Mid-Career
22:25 – Would Free College Change the Debate?
23:44 – What Policy Changes Could Prepare Us for the AI Future?
25:12 – Should Schools Be Measured by Career Outcomes?