Full Episode: https://youtu.be/CH-4yCU1BTs

In this episode, host Anirudh Suri discusses the rising levels of global inequality with guest Sebastian Mallaby. They delve into historical contexts, comparing today's socioeconomic conditions with the pre-World War I era, and contemplate the potential for significant socio-political movements. The conversation touches on the rise of populism, the impact of social media on perceptions of inequality, and its implications for political landscapes in the U.S. and Europe.

00:00 Historical Context of Rising Inequality

00:52 Modern Parallels and Political Movements

02:12 Impact of Social Media on Perceptions

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

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Full Episode: https://youtu.be/CH-4yCU1BTs

In this episode, host Anirudh Suri engages in an insightful conversation with Sebastian Mallaby about the implications of a tech-driven economic world. They discuss the divergence in global economic trends, the increase and decrease of inequality, and the dynamics between labor and capital. Mallaby provides historical context, referencing Thomas Piketty's theories and examining periods where labor held significant negotiating power, such as the 1950s and 1960s in America. The conversation touches on the reversal of inequality trends post-COVID and stresses the non-deterministic nature of economic cycles.

00:00 Introduction: Tech-Driven Economic Divergence

00:25 Thomas Piketty's Capital and Economic Inequality

01:09 Debunking the Iron Law of Capital

02:28 Recent Trends in U.S. Inequality

03:07 Historical Examples of Labor vs. Capital Rewards

04:31 The Impact of Global Competition on Labor

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

Anirudh:

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Full Episode: https://youtu.be/CH-4yCU1BTs

Join host Anirudh Suri as he delves into a deep conversation with guest Sebastian Mallaby about the shifting dynamics between technology and capital. They discuss the current landscape where technology and venture capital are outshining traditional Wall Street firms, explore the exponential growth driven by advancements like artificial intelligence, and question whether the real power has shifted from financial institutions to tech innovators.

00:00 Introduction to Technology and Capital

00:24 The Dominance of Technology in Modern Capitalism

00:48 Venture Capital vs. Wall Street

01:04 Media Coverage and Market Valuations

01:22 Investment Comparisons: Tech vs. Wall Street

02:13 The Shift of Power to Silicon Valley

02:39 The Impact of Technological Advancements

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

Anirudh:

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Full Episode: https://youtu.be/CH-4yCU1BTs

Host Anirudh Suri interviews Sebastian Mallaby disscus about the potential shift in the venture capital industry from a unipolar dominance by Silicon Valley to a multipolar landscape, how venture capital, which traditionally relies on taking big risks for massive upsides, is spreading beyond Northern California to regions like China, India, and Europe. The discussion highlights that growing local markets and cultural shifts toward accepting failure as a learning experience are pivotal in this transition. However, the success of venture capital in smaller markets, such as those in Africa, remains uncertain due to limited market size and the need for a unified market. They examines how the Silicon Valley mindset, which values failure as a stepping-stone, is essential for adopting the power law investment strategy inherent to venture capital success.

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

Anirudh:

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Full Episode: https://youtu.be/CH-4yCU1BTs

In this episode, host Anirudh Suri discusses with guest Sebastian Mallaby the rise and influence of hedge funds and venture capital in the finance industry. They delve into how these players, absent in the 1920s and 1930s, have become powerful forces shaping the rules of the game today. The conversation covers the significant growth and role of hedge funds in market innovation and price discovery, and the risk-reward dynamics unique to venture capital. Mallaby also explains why these forms of capital deployment remain distinct from the operations within large traditional banks, attributing it to the differences in incentive structures.

00:00 Introduction to New Players in Finance

00:31 The Evolution and Impact of Hedge Funds

02:50 Venture Capital: High Risk, High Reward

05:11 Comparing Hedge Funds and Venture Capital

05:49 Incentive Structures in Finance

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

Anirudh:

The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : [amzn.eu/d/1Su38My](http://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My)

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#VentureCapital, #HedgeFunds, #CapitalGame, #FinancialMarkets, #InvestmentStrategy, #TraditionalBanks, #Regulation, #FinancialInnovation, #PriceDiscovery, #StockMarket, #Startups, #InvestmentRisk, #AssetManagement, #HighReturns, #IncentiveStructures, #InvestmentFocus, #CorporateVentureCapital, #EconomicImpact, #TradingResearch, #PowerLaw

The Clip dives into an in-depth conversation about the percentage of population that drives growth and development in a society, often termed as 'the intellectual lead.' The presence of these people across societies, the factors that may prevent them from contributing, and influences from education and political systems are key focus areas in the discussion. The role of culture, including its capacity for change and the significance of pluralism are also examined.

Full Episode Link

(Part 1): https://youtu.be/iV21apDujg8

(Part 2): https://youtu.be/j-EtfjGJbV0

00:00 Introduction: The Power of a Small Number

00:30 The Role of Education and Society in Nurturing Creativity

01:14 The Barriers to Unleashing Creative Potential

01:40 The Struggle for Intellectual Freedom in Different Societies

02:46 The Importance of Pluralism and Challenging Established Knowledge

03:32 The European Enlightenment and the Desanctification of Past Knowledge

04:53 The Difficulty of Overcoming Established Knowledge Systems

06:07 The Act of Rebellion in Knowledge Creation

In this two-part episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Joel Mokyr to dig deep into why some societies get rich, creative and successful while others don't.

Mokyr and Suri discuss examples of countries that have unshackled themselves from their past, such as 19th century Japan during the Meiji Restoration and the East Asian tigers. They also explore how India can reverse its brain drain and become a tech nation, and not remain just a talent nation.

Mokyr highlights the high levels of inequality being driven by the tech economy today, and both draw parallels with pre-WWI Europe and its experience with vast inequality driven by industrial capitalism. Jumping to the modern era, they discuss whether AI represents a new revolution in knowledge, or whether it is just hype.

About Joel Mokyr:

Joel Mokyr is Professor of Economics and History at Northwestern University. Joel Mokyr conducts research on the economic history of Europe, and specializes in the period 1750-1914. His current research is focused on the understanding of the economic and intellectual roots of technological progress and the growth of useful knowledge in European societies, as well as the impact that industrialization and economic progress have had on economic welfare.

Full Episode: https://youtu.be/CH-4yCU1BTs

In this episode, host Anirudh Suri engages in an insightful discussion with guest Sebastian Mallaby on the historical evolution of financial systems and the regulatory cycles over the past century. They explore the dynamics between private banking entities and public institutions like the central bank, focusing on significant periods such as the establishment of the Federal Reserve, the 1920s stock market bubble and the ensuing crash, and the 2008 financial crisis. They also draw parallels between these financial regulatory cycles and the current tug of war between big tech firms and governments, examining the systemic implications of financial versus technological excesses.

00:00 Introduction to Financial Systems

00:26 Historical Financial Cycles in the US

01:16 The Creation of the Federal Reserve

02:04 The 1920s Stock Market Bubble and Aftermath

02:53 Modern Financial Innovations and the 2008 Crisis

03:14 Government Regulation and Financial Cycles

03:50 Comparing Finance and Big Tech Regulation

04:59 The Impact of Financial and Tech Crises

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

Anirudh:

The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : [amzn.eu/d/1Su38My](http://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My)

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Book and Podcast: [www.greattechgame.com](http://www.greattechgame.com/)

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Full Episode: https://youtu.be/CH-4yCU1BTs

Join host Anirudh Suri and guest Sebastian Mallaby as they explore the historical evolution of capital and its profound impact on global finance. They discuss the pivotal role of the Industrial Revolution in shifting from small-scale operations to large companies, the influence of trade finance during the great trading era, and the emergence of powerful financial figures like JP Morgan. The conversation also highlights the significant contributions of contemporary financiers such as George Soros and Arthur Rock in shaping modern economics and technological innovation.

00:00 The Rise of Capital: A Historical Perspective

00:13 The Industrial Revolution: Catalyst for Capital Growth

01:31 The Role of Technology in Capital Expansion

02:52 Influential Figures in the History of Capital

03:20 Modern Examples of Capital Power

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

Anirudh:

The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : [amzn.eu/d/1Su38My](http://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My)

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Sebastian Christopher Peter Mallaby, born in May 1964, is a prominent English journalist and author renowned for his expertise in international economics. Currently serving as the Paul A. Volcker senior fellow for international economics at the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), Mallaby also contributes as a columnist to The Washington Post. With a diverse portfolio, he has previously held positions such as contributing editor at the Financial Times and columnist/editorial board member at The Washington Post.

Mallaby's insightful analyses and commentaries have graced prestigious publications like The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and the Atlantic Monthly. Notably, his 2012 essay in Foreign Affairs tackled the intricate subject of China's currency future. Among his notable literary contributions are "The Man Who Knew" (2016), "More Money Than God" (2010), and "The World's Banker" (2004), solidifying his reputation as a leading authority in the field of economics and global finance.

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**Chapters:**

Introduction - 0:00

How did capital become such a powerful force in the world? - 4:15

Colourful characters in capitalism - 7:28

Parallels between 16th century Adventure Capitalism and today’s Venture capitalism - 9:08

Tug of War between Financiers and Governments - 11:56

Regulation of Finance and Tech: Parallels and Distinctions - 16:23

Rise of the Hedge Fund Industry - 18:55

Rise of the VC Industry - 21:35

Why VC firms and Hedge Funds haven't been subsumed by Large Banks? - 23:56

Globalisation of the VC industry? Unipolar or Multipolar VC World? - 26:33

Duopoly of Tech and Capital: The Two Most Powerful Forces in the World Today - 36:21

IS Power Shifting From Wall St to Silicon Valley? - 38:36

Inequality and Capitalism - The Battle between Capital and Labour - 39:35

Will Rising Inequality Lead to another World War? Or Populism? - 46:09

Will AI cause greater divergence between Nations? The second great Divergence? - 48: 52

Microsoft Taking Over Apple, in AI? - 52:04

Competition or Monopolies - How will the AI Industry Shape Up? - 53:26

Which Countries are the Major Emerging Powers? - 55:40

Bipolar world or Multipolar World? - 57:35

Key Geopolitical Risks of a Multipolar World - 59:13

Sebastian’s Recommendations - Books and Podcast Guests - 1:02:55

**Books**

Sebastian:

**The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future** - https://amzn.eu/d/0N1LYKo

**More Money than God** - https://amzn.eu/d/goWCmMg

**The Man Who Knew: The Life & Times of Alan Greenspan -** https://amzn.eu/d/7U4ZzSe

**The World's Banker: A Story of Failed States -** https://amzn.eu/d/0oXfFox

Anirudh:

The Great Tech Game by Anirudh Suri : [amzn.eu/d/1Su38My](http://amzn.eu/d/1Su38My)

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Joel discusses the importance of Information and communication technology and its role in economic prosperity. He explores how nations can foster a spirit of tech creativity and emphasizes that it's not merely a financial matter. Joel criticizes the limitations of intellectual property (IP) rights systems but recognizes the flow of knowledge across borders. Using China and India as examples, he explains how they've taken existing Western knowledge and improved on it. Joel argues that to be technologically creative and successful, a society must embrace nonconformity and pluralism, allowing for unconventional ideas to flourish. Using historical examples like the Soviet Union's technological stagnation and Israel's culture of 'thinking outside the box', Joel suggests that autocratic regimes may struggle in the long-term technological race due to the repression of free thinking. He concludes that fostering a culture of tolerating and experimenting with crazy ideas is crucial to technological advancement.

Full Episode Link

(Part 1): https://youtu.be/iV21apDujg8

(Part 2): https://youtu.be/j-EtfjGJbV0

00:00 The Importance of Tech Creativity in Economic Prosperity

00:40 The Role of Intellectual Property Rights in Tech Creativity

01:14 The Asian Tigers: A Case Study in Tech Creativity

02:26 The Importance of Nonconformity and Pluralism in Tech Creativity

03:02 The Failure of the Soviet Union in Technological Leadership

03:51 The Power of Crazy Ideas in Tech Innovation

04:17 The Potential Downfall of China's Technological Race

04:48 The Role of Free Speech in Tech Creativity

05:07 Israel: A Culture of Nonconformity and Tech Success

06:09 The Importance of Tolerance in Fostering Tech Creativity

In this two-part episode of The Great Tech Game podcast, host Anirudh Suri is joined by Joel Mokyr to dig deep into why some societies get rich, creative and successful while others don't.

Mokyr and Suri discuss examples of countries that have unshackled themselves from their past, such as 19th century Japan during the Meiji Restoration and the East Asian tigers. They also explore how India can reverse its brain drain and become a tech nation, and not remain just a talent nation.

Mokyr highlights the high levels of inequality being driven by the tech economy today, and both draw parallels with pre-WWI Europe and its experience with vast inequality driven by industrial capitalism. Jumping to the modern era, they discuss whether AI represents a new revolution in knowledge, or whether it is just hype.

About Joel Mokyr:

Joel Mokyr is Professor of Economics and History at Northwestern University. Joel Mokyr conducts research on the economic history of Europe, and specializes in the period 1750-1914. His current research is focused on the understanding of the economic and intellectual roots of technological progress and the growth of useful knowledge in European societies, as well as the impact that industrialization and economic progress have had on economic welfare.

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