The Grey Area

This episode, we share our initial thoughts on Tyler, the Creator's 8th studio album, Chromakopia, and recap the month of October.

Check out our favourite tracks of the month here: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1UZWtdCzmP4Czp2WY1SMJB?si=e5ecb567c9874509

We’re diving into the fascinating connections between hip hop and its diverse cultural influences. 

We explore how these genres have helped shape hip hop’s evolution, pointing out the back-and-forth nature of the genre and its ties to dancehall & West Indian music. There's also a focus on the powerful impact of jazz and funk on hip hop, with legends like James Brown playing a major role. 

Plus, we touch on the rising influence of Desi hip hop and the longstanding collaborations between rap and rock, showing just how much these blended sounds have defined today’s music. 

There is also a strong relationship between rock and hip hop, the evolution of different music styles, and how Afrobeat is shaping UK hip hop. 

We also get into the significance of mosh pits in hip hop culture as well as talk about artists like J Hus, and look ahead to the future of Afrobeat in the music scene. 

Songs played this episode

Caribbean (Neil) 

Bad Boyz (feat. Barrington Levy) - Shyne

India (Kiran)

Big Dawgs - Hanumankind & Kalmi

Jazz/Funk (Sam)

Funky Drummer (Bonus Beat Reprise) - James Brown

Rap-Rock (Sean)

Empty Vessels (Official Video) (feat. Roots Manuva) - The Maccabees

Afrobeats (Theo)

Bouff Daddy - J Hus

Key Topics

• Hip hop has deep roots in Caribbean culture, particularly reggae and dancehall.
• The iterative nature of hip hop allows it to evolve and incorporate various influences over time.
• Grime music has significant connections to dancehall, often drawing inspiration from its rhythms and styles.
• Caribbean music has had a lasting impact on pop culture, often influencing mainstream music trends.
• Indian music and culture are increasingly influencing hip hop, with a growing number of artists emerging from the Desi scene.
• Jazz and funk have played a crucial role in shaping the sound and style of hip hop.
• James Brown is one of the most sampled artists in hip hop, showcasing the genre's reliance on funk and soul.
• The collaboration between rap and rock has a rich history, with many iconic moments in music history.
• Artists like MIA and Jay Sean have successfully blended their cultural backgrounds with hip hop.
• The cyclical nature of music means that influences from the past continue to resurface in contemporary sounds. The crossover between rock and hip hop has a rich history.
• Iconic collaborations like Jay-Z and Linkin Park set a precedent.
• Mosh pits have become a significant part of hip hop culture.
• Afrobeat is increasingly influencing UK hip hop artists.
• J Hus is seen as a pioneer in bringing African sounds to UK rap.
• The music scene is evolving with new artists emerging.
• There is a nostalgic appreciation for past collaborations.
• The impact of live instruments is returning to hip hop.
• The conversation reflects on the changing nature of music consumption.
• Future collaborations may redefine genre boundaries.

It’s release recap time and this month we are discussing Kendrick Lamar's new track and its cultural implications, the allegations against Diddy and the industry's complicity, the evolution of hip-hop album structures, LL Cool J's recent album, Alchemist's rapping skills, and Nines' retirement. 

Watching the Party Die:

• A few months on from the Drake v. Kendrick beef, and in light of the recent news regarding Diddy, are we witnessing a shift in the culture?

Releases:

• LL Cool J - THE FORCE
• The Alchemist - The Genuine Articulate
• Nines - Quit While You’re Ahead

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1YuSzuqvIAdY2vCgx47Moa?si=86e0d067d2304512

Other Projects Released:

• Talib Kweli & J. Rawls - The Confidence of Knowing
• Blu & Exile - Love (the) Ominous World
• Future - Mixtape Pluto

We break down how certain artists like The Notorious B.I.G., Tyler, The Creator, and Lupe Fiasco have stood the test of time, analysing their impact and evolution.

We discuss timeless projects like Lupe’s The Cool and Big Sean’s Detroit, and dive into the UK rap scene with legends like Kano, Wretch 32, and J Hus.

We also debate the “top five” rappers, Big Sean's longevity, and Nas’ resurgence with the King’s Disease & Magic Series.

Join us as we discover which hip-hop tracks truly remain classics and why.

Key Takeaways

Aging in music is not just about the artists getting older, but also about the lasting impact and relevance of the music over time.

Hip hop artists like The Notorious B.I.G., Tyler, The Creator, and Lupe Fiasco have created music that has aged well and still resonates with listeners today.

The content, production, and concepts of the music contribute to its ability to stand the test of time.

The conversation highlights the importance of considering both the influence and the aging of music when evaluating its longevity. Lupe Fiasco's 'The Cool' and Big Sean's 'Detroit' are albums that have aged well in hip-hop.

The hosts discuss the impact and quality of these projects, highlighting standout tracks and the artists' lyrical abilities.

Mixtapes played a significant role in discovering new artists and exploring different sounds in the hip-hop genre.

The conversation also touches on the evolution of the UK rap scene and its influence on the global hip-hop landscape.

Certain songs have a timeless quality that resonates with listeners even years after their release. Big Sean's mixtape 'Finally Famous Vol. 3' has aged well and continues to be appreciated by listeners.

Big Sean has been consistent in releasing great projects throughout his career.

The hosts debate the 'big three' in hip-hop and discuss the importance of consistency in an artist's career.

Nas' 'King's Disease' series showcases his revitalized career and creative artistry. Certain artists and albums in hip hop age well and become instant classics.

The UK rap scene has produced artists who have aged well and continue to make great music.

Not all hip hop music will stand the test of time, but there will always be standout artists and albums that resonate with future generations.

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4nX7JGSrzQRi8nRpt1VOOW?si=df0c1a8cc2264c89

JPEGMAFIA - I LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR YOU (1 Aug):

• Is Peggy the best Hip-Hop producer working today?

Big Sean - Better Me Than You (30 Aug):

• Considering the sales and some of the responses from fans, why do we think Sean’s music isn’t quite connecting with the masses? Lack of volume/consistency, leaving GOOD Music…

Honourable Mentions:

Navy Blue - Memoirs in Armour (2 Aug)

Killer Mike - Songs For Sinners & Saints (2 Aug)

Mavi - Shadowbox (9 Aug)

Larry June - Doing It for Me (9 Aug)

Logic

Ka - The Thief Next to Jesus (19 Aug)

Doechii - Alligator Bites Never Heal (30 Aug)

Singles - plug the playlist

Most Anticipated (Sept):

A$AP Rocky - Don’t Be Dumb (TBC)

Future - Mixtape Pluto (this Friday)

Blu & Exile - Love (the) Ominous World

Another episode of GOAT Talks for your head top! This time, we are talking about the crazy freestyles from the LA Leakers series.

Standout performances, legendary bars, and why these moments are a must-listen. If you’re all about hearing rap at it's highest level, raw talent and high energy, this episode is a must listen!

Our LA Leakers Picks

Neil:

Cordae - https://youtu.be/kvNgwgyidpY?si=WQ2ZJLmooPhzeYyd

Daylyt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvAArR14fno

Kiran:

J. Cole - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlpN3S16ZAs

Freddie Gibbs (ft. his son) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTKoeyLEU8U

Theo:

Ray Vaughan - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBEtnyz2efE

King Los - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLwXCDRuIyw

Sam:

Common - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1vn073F1aM

Benny - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWStKcaJyYU

Sean:

Vince Staples - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TR0BO-hfEw

Royce - https://youtu.be/XXi629ypSwY?si=IqXwUUF5fiido58b

July has been a crazy month for the Hip Hop scene!

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6kdIfmXPs0FLuZ0WjgnZo0?si=BRcYgsH1SN-feAbyq-FWYg&pi=e-h9Ae4bGhQ0Os

This episode, we discuss Eminem's and Childish Gambino's latest albums, offering mixed reviews on both. We dive into the tension between Drake and Childish Gambino, praise Wretch 32's most recent freestyle, and appreciate Bashy's authentic album that represents the UK scene so well. Excitement for upcoming releases from Big Sean and Tory Lanez are high at the time of recording!

Takeaways

Opinions on Eminem's album vary, with some finding it an improvement and others feeling it is average and out of touch

Childish Gambino's album is seen as experimental and explores different styles and influences

The concept and themes of Childish Gambino's album are intriguing, but the execution is debated

Specific tracks from both albums are highlighted as favourites

There are references and potential diss tracks towards Drake in Childish Gambino's album There may be tension between Drake and Childish Gambino due to jealousy and competition.

Wretch 32's freestyle showcases his talent and ability to connect with his audience.

Bashy's album, 'Being Poor Is Expensive,' is a must-listen and provides a view into British culture.

There is a lot of great music coming out of the UK, with artists like Dee Riginal, Name Bliss, Potter Payper, and Central C gaining popularity.

Various singles and albums they have been enjoying, including tracks by Meg Thee Stallion, Cordae, Lil Wayne, and Action Bronson.

The unique style and storytelling abilities of UK artists, as well as the energy and production quality of international artists.

Common, noting that his conscious style may not appeal to mainstream audiences as much as other genres.

Reflect on the changing landscape of music and how the collective consciousness has shifted towards more explicit and dark themes.

Big Sean's upcoming album is highly anticipated and his recent freestyle has generated excitement

Tory Lanez's upcoming project, 'Prison Tapes', is expected to be impactful

Flavor Flav is recognized as a talented musician, playing multiple instruments

We are back for the fourth time with more of our favourite posse cuts!

Some modern classics and some old school bangers too!

The picks

Kiran Westside Gun's 'Red Death.'

Theo - 'John Blaze'

Sean - 'Blow Your Trumpet,

Sam - Denzel Curry's 'Ain't No Way'

June 2024 Playlist https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3tvcPTZdmoBI7YX2GZaleo?si=455ed5a9c4e94c7b

Order of play:

• Discuss top, recurring picks
• Highlight some of our individual, non-recurring selections
• Kendrick Lamar's performance ‘The Pop Out: Ken & Friends’ concert in Los Angeles
• More Drake Vs. Kendrick Talk (sorry it's still going on)
• Touch upon this weekend’s/June’s releases - KAYTRANADA, Action Bronson, MAVi Album pending?, The return of Chip?, Central Cee is Versatile?
• Glastonbury 2024 (Right at the end)

Other:

• Share some of our favourite non-rap albums of the year so far
• Most anticipated for the remainder of the year (e.g. Em, Bashy, Common & Pete Rock, Denzel Curry, Mustard, Rakim, A$AP Rocky…)

Our top 5s:

Sam:

1. Vince Staples - Dark Times

2. Mach-Hommy - #RICHAXXHAITIAN

3. Don Toliver - HARDSTONE PSYCHO

4. ScHoolboy Q - BLUE LIPS

5. Big Hit, Hit-Boy & The Alchemist - Black & Whites

Sean:

1. Mach-Hommy - #RICHAXXHAITIAN

2. ScHoolboy Q - BLUE LIPS

3. Vince Staples - Dark Times

4. Nicholas Craven & Boldy James - Penalty of Leadership

5. Boldy James & Conductor Williams - Across the Tracks

Kiran:

1. Lupe Fiasco - Samurai

2. Mach-Hommy - #RICHAXXHAITIAN

3. Boldy James & Conductor Williams - Across the Tracks

4. Vince Staples - Dark Times

5. ScHoolboy Q - BLUE LIPS

Theo:

1. Mach-Hommy - #RICHAXXHAITIAN

2. ScHoolboy Q - BLUE LIPS

3. Vince Staples - Dark Times

4. Nicholas Craven & Boldy James - Penalty of Leadership

5. Big Hit, Hit-Boy & The Alchemist - Black & Whites

Neil:

1. J. Cole - Might Delete Later

2. Tierra Whack - World Wide Wack

3. Mach-Hommy - #RICHAXXHAITIAN

4. Ghetts - On Purpose, with Purpose

5. ScHoolboy Q - BLUE LIPS

Despite the ease and affordability of streaming, why do we still purchase physicals, merchandise, attend live shows etc?

We discuss James Blake’s comments, the ‘Living Wage for Musicians’ act, Vultures 2 release etc. as well as address the impact of TikTok, social media in general, and on-demand services on our attention span, and the impact this has on the quality and quantity of music.