Carrie Hall attended a large diverse high school in Tulsa, OK before joining the Air Force. After eight years in the military, which was also diverse, she found herself surrounded almost exclusively by White students at the University of Tulsa, which got her thinking about society and how education can be an equalizer. In her conversation with Greg, she explores diversity of various sorts and also talks about bugs, fiber arts, the cocktail party problem, and working as a program officer at the National Science Foundation.