The Hidden Cost of Hustle: Why Emotionally Healthy Leaders Win

In this powerful episode of Thrive Today, host Natalie Born sits down with Simi John—author, speaker, and pastor—to unpack the often-overlooked emotional and spiritual layers of leadership. Together, they explore the link between burnout and boundaries, empathy and empowerment, and what it really looks like to lead from a place of emotional clarity and self-awareness. This candid conversation blends scripture, psychology, and practical wisdom to help women show up for themselves, their families, and their leadership callings with strength and perspective.

[00:01 - 05:36] Simi's Journey into Ministry and Mental Health

- Growing up in a collectivist culture and navigating identity

- The stigma around mental health in faith spaces

- Why emotional health is not optional for spiritual leaders

[05:37 - 11:04] The Cost of Compassion Without Boundaries

- Empathy vs. emotional enmeshment

- Why leaders must know where they end and others begin

- The power of regulated emotions for effective ministry

[11:05 - 17:18] Leading from a Whole, Not Hurting, Heart

- How generational trauma impacts leadership

- Surrendering outcomes as an act of spiritual discipline

- Distinguishing people-pleasing from godly service

[17:19 - 22:40] Preventing Burnout by Practicing Wisdom

- Warning signs of emotional burnout

- Why over-functioning is not the same as faithfulness

- Creating space to hear God again

[22:41 - 28:50] Rhythms for Rest and Recovery

- Simi’s personal practices for preventing burnout

- Balancing calling and capacity

- Letting God fill the gaps you cannot

Quotes:

“If I don’t steward my emotions, my emotions will steward me.” – Simi John

“Empathy is not taking on someone else’s pain; it’s recognizing it, honoring it, and leading with clarity.” – Simi John

Connect with Simi:

Website: simijohn.tv

Instagram: @simijohn

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