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In this rich and wisdom-packed episode of the Thrive Today Podcast, host Natalie Born welcomes back one of our most loved guests, Dr. Dave Martin, to unpack why wisdom isn’t just helpful, it’s foundational.
Drawing from Scripture, leadership experience, and decades of mentoring leaders across faith and business, Dr. Dave reframes wisdom as the master key that unlocks right timing, healthy relationships, sustainable success, and spiritual maturity. Together, Natalie and Dr. Dave explore the difference between information and formation, why humility keeps us teachable, and how wisdom is often built slowly through experience, mentorship, and obedience—not shortcuts.
From navigating AI and modern decision-making to building guardrails through Scripture, prayer, and counsel, this conversation invites listeners to stop rushing outcomes and start cultivating the kind of wisdom that shapes both who we are and where we’re going.
[00:00 – 01:30] Why Wisdom Matters More Than Ever
Introducing Dr. Dave Martin and his heart for wisdom
Why Scripture places such high value on wisdom and understanding
How mistakes often awaken our hunger for wisdom
[01:31 – 03:26] The Game Show Illustration: Why Wisdom Wins Everything
A powerful metaphor for choosing wisdom over outcomes
How wisdom produces better relationships, influence, and success
Solomon’s story and why wisdom multiplies what we’re chasing
[03:27 – 05:31] Wisdom Is Gained, Not Given
Why Solomon, and even Jesus, had to grow in wisdom
How learning changes seasons and shapes the future
The daily discipline of staying teachable
[05:32 – 07:44] AI, Information, and the Loss of Relational Wisdom
How younger generations are outsourcing counsel to technology
The danger of replacing relationships with information
Why wisdom was designed to flow through people, not isolation
[07:45 – 09:48] Formation vs. Information
Why wisdom is about transformation, not just knowledge
How experience, humility, and community shape character
Staying teachable as a spiritual discipline
[09:49 – 11:37] Timing, Faith, and Trusting the Process
Why God is never late, but also never rushed
The danger of platform before preparation
How growth seasons are often mistaken for delays
[11:38 – 13:51] Growth Requires Humility
Why mentors are shortcuts to wisdom
Learning from others’ mistakes instead of repeating our own
The Mount Everest lesson: growth happens in us, not circumstances
[13:52 – 16:21] Humility as the Gateway to Wisdom
Why pride closes our ears but humility opens our spirit
Becoming a “learn-it-all” instead of a know-it-all
Why grace flows where humility lives
[16:22 – 18:23] Building Guardrails Through Daily Wisdom
Making wisdom your default—not a backup plan
Reading Proverbs daily as a lifelong practice
Applying biblical principles to real-world leadership
[18:24 – 21:31] Practical Wisdom in Business and Life
Creating order as a spiritual principle
Making decisions through prayer, not pressure
Seeking counsel before major decisions
[21:32 – 23:46] Supernatural Wisdom at Work
Real stories of God-given ideas producing extraordinary outcomes
Inviting heaven into business decisions
Operating with long-term purpose, not short-term pressure
[23:47 – 25:52] Teaching the Next Generation Wisdom
Helping children learn to listen for God’s voice
Why Scripture speaks differently in different seasons
Moving from advice to surrendered obedience
[25:53 – End] Listening, Obedience, and Maturity
Ignoring wisdom—and the cost of doing so
Why maturity begins with listening
Wisdom as faith applied in everyday life