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Dr Piret Toñurist, Systems Thinking lead at the OECD's Observatory for Public Sector Innovation talks about the sense of powerlessness at the heart of leadership. She discusses how the pandemic has offered an opportunity for change, and what transformation looks like. She characterises systems thinking as a neutral zone where the ideology of what has to be done doesn’t exist.
Themed on this question of power, our discussion looks at what power is, really, when it comes to the granular detail.
Talking Points
- Connecting knowing and doing
- The end-state fallacy, manifestos and political experiments
- Politics as a rash
- From where does innovation in schools come?
Dr. Piret Tōnurist at the OECD’s Observatory for Public Sector Innovation:
https://oecd-opsi.org/about-observatory-of-public-sector-innovation/
Articles:
https://oecd-opsi.org/author/piret/
…at TalTach:
https://old.taltech.ee/institutes/ragnar-nurkse-department-of-innovation-and-governance/department-11/academic-staff-5/piret-tonurist-3/
“Wicked” Problems:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem
End-state fallacy:
https://www.csis.org/analysis/end-state-fallacy-setting-wrong-goals-war-fighting
Toxteth Housing project: Welsh Streets, Liverpool:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Streets,_Liverpool
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John Naughton, tech columnist at The Observer Newspaper, talks about that great Wild West of our time - Cyberspace. From its roots in “permissionless innovation” to the staggering dominance of a very small number of companies over most aspects of our lives, he surveys the absence of governance, and how two effective sovereigns - Apple and Google - have appropriated powers normally associated with sovereign powers of territorial control.
In our discussion Ed and I pick up on the de-globalisation of the internet, the digital divide and on surveillance capitalism - and while it turns out these problems are not new, the perennial importance of Truth to our Age of Enlightenment once again comes to the fore.
Talking points:
Most of our main challenges are bewilderingly complex, and they will never be solved through adversarial two-line posts. But they might well be mitigated by inclusive, deliberative conversations.
John Naughton:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Naughton
John Naughton in the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/series/networker
Article we were discussing:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/13/silicon-valley-has-admitted-facial-recognition-technology-is-toxic-about-time
Google’s dominance in search, as a graph that is well worth a view:
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/this-chart-reveals-googles-true-dominance-over-the-web/
Tech and truth - mainstream media turns out to be the biggest amplifier of White House disinformation:
https://www-technologyreview-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/07/1009642/mainstream-media-is-the-biggest-amplifier-of-white-house-disinformation/amp/
These problems are not new (1984 interview):
https://billmoyers.com/content/30-second-president/
BILL MOYERS: What I see and hear deals more with the emotions than what I read.
TONY SCHWARTZ: That’s right. We are in the business of using PR in a new manner, not in the old print terms of press relations. We are using PR as people’s reactions, personal retrieval of your feelings and associations. PR — people’s recall, of their experiences. PR — planning reactions. That’s our whole new business. It’s a PR business, planning reactions.
BILL MOYERS: But isn’t it manipulating people to in effect tell them what they’re feeling instead of telling them what they need to know to vote?
TONY SCHWARTZ: I use the word not manipulation, I say partipulation.
BILL MOYERS: Partipulation?
TONY SCHWARTZ: You have to participate in your own manipulation. In that, you’re bringing things to your manipulation. If you don’t want to participate in it, you could turn off the commercial. You could tune it out. But there are things that get into you. And that’s the participation.
The global network of local internets is a step closer:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-53686390
Podcast - Facial recognition and racial profiling - cautionary tale:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000486946788
A spelling out of the substance and scope of surveillance capitalism (Alexander Nix/Cambridge Analytica):
https://youtu.be/n8Dd5aVXLCc
Google in China article (MIT):
https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/12/19/138307/how-google-took-on-china-and-lost/
China’s AI Surveillance State goes global:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/09/china-ai-surveillance/614197/
Podcast - More on Cyberspace and Governance - Preet Bharara (NY state prosecutor dismissed by Donald Trump after refusing to resign) talks to John Carlin, the US Justice Department’s former head of the National Security Division:
https://omny.fm/shows/stay-tuned-with-preet/introducing-cyber-space-with-john-carlin
The world is awash with bullshit:
https://www.callingbullshit.org/?utm_content=bufferfcd66&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkedin.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Film - The Social Dilemma:
https://www.thesocialdilemma.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Social_Dilemma
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Professor Eileen Munro turned decades of inadequate child protection on its head with one simple question: are we helping or hindering the front line?
In this episode, she reflects on the successes - and revealing failures - of her review into child protection. Eileen covers a lot of ground in a short space of time. It is fascinating.
Talking points:
In our commentary Ed and I pick up on these and other points, specifically the governmental conditions that allowed for success, and especially: leaders believing they have grasped the systemic nature of necessary change, when in reality they haven’t. What to do? Find out in this concentrated and stimulating episode.
The Munro Review into Child Protection:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/175391/Munro-Review.pdf
Eileen Munro:
LSE
https://www.lse.ac.uk/social-policy/people/Emeritus-Visiting/Professor-Eileen-Munro
The Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/profile/eileen-munro
Detail on what child protection actually entails (podcast)
(listener alert - not for the feint-hearted):
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07ffxtr
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This episode introduces the experience and current thinking of my co-presenter, Ed Straw.
We talk about his journey from being an engineering graduate to consulting at the heart of Westminster, how he encountered power and the confusion surrounding it.
Then we get into his current thinking - he’s now a research fellow at the Open University’s Applied Systems Thinking in Practice Group, and has found in Systems Thinking many effective responses to issues that have plagued governments down the decades.
Ed Straw:
http://www.edstraw.com/about/
The (full podcast!) story of General Motors' collaboration with Toyota is a great rehearsal of how systemic change can work, and the relevant challenges:
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/561/nummi-2015
W. Edwards Demming, genius behind Japanese revolution in manufacturing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming
and that revolution:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/1993/12/23/japans-secret-w-edwards-deming/b69b8c00-4c5d-483a-b95e-4aeb1d94d2c6/
Relevance of Drawing the Boundary to Systems Thinking:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_critique
The Compassionate Frome Project:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/21/town-cure-illness-community-frome-somerset-isolation
DAD and EDD:
http://www.edstraw.com/new-public-service-management-from-dad-to-edd/
Ed's story, told in more length and depth on Survival of the Kindest:
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/ed-straw-looking-at-it-in-the-round/id1525026504?i=1000489658805
Real world example in Australia:
https://johnmenadue.com/cock-ups-conspiracies-or-system-failures/
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New release date - Saturday October 10th - Episode 1, Ed Straw on the Hidden Power.
We live in confusing times - and a lot of that confusion is about where power lies. With Ed Straw, former chair of Demos and consultant to government, & Philip Tottenham.
In 2017 the UN, the WHO and the OECD all called for the use of Systems Thinking to deal with highly complex problems. But what does that mean?
In Series 1 "Proof of Concept" we explore power - power in terms traditional ideas about it, and in terms of beneficial impact on the ground - and hear from people thinking and operating at the leading edge of where beneficial impact is taking place.
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From the publisher's feed
Why doesn’t government work?
Is it the politicians, the civil servants, the political parties?
Or is it the system in which they all…
The Hidden Power goes behind the sporting spectacle of modern politicking to find the real villain.
This series of six podcasts, broadcast weekly from October 10th, provides both critique and answers.
Good government is entirely possible - but not in its current guise.
Hosted by Ed Straw, former chair of Demos - the cross-party think-tank on democracy, and producer Philip Tottenham.
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