Phoenix and Flame Podcast

The Hidden Tactics Narcissists Use to Control You


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In this episode, Dana is joined by Jackie Miller, a high-conflict divorce coach who shares her own story of surviving a 16.5-year narcissistic marriage. Jackie details the nature of covert abuse, from the "frog in boiling water" beginning to the complete financial control that left her feeling trapped and erased. She reveals how the abuse escalated post-separation, with her ex-husband weaponizing the legal system to continue his campaign of control. Jackie shares her rock-bottom moment wandering her backyard in a daze, and the powerful epiphany that allowed her to see the manipulation for the game it was. She now provides the strategic guidance she wishes she'd had, helping women reclaim their power, disengage from the chaos, and finally win without playing the narcissist's game.

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