In this episode of The Idealists. (formerly Grit & Grace), host and entrepreneur Melissa Kiguwa interviews Elise Loehnen Fissmer, writer and editor best known for being the former chief content officer of goop, the lifestyle and e-commerce company established by Gwyneth Paltrow in 2008. You may have also seen and heard Elise co-host The goop Podcast and The goop Lab on Netflix. Now she's writing a book on how women rise in the world and the deep wounds all women carry. In this episode, we dig deep.
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In the episode:
- Elise begins the conversation by sharing one of the thesis in her upcoming book: how easy it is to claim women should rise in the world, but how difficult it is to tactically and tangibly support women. She breaks down how often historical tropes solidify ideas around women's cattiness towards each other or around the ways women compete for the attention and protection of men.
- She discusses the trauma of witch-hunting over centuries and the millions of women killed during the hunts. One of the mechanisms of witch-hunting was getting friends to turn on friends and daughters to turn on mothers, which Elise describes as having left women with a collective sense of scarcity and fear carried over from generation to generation.
- Melissa asks if intergenerational trauma includes the fear of being disconnected from one's deep sense of power, how can women trust each other if we do not even trust ourselves?
- Elise answers by explaining the role of the crone, the third archetypal stage of a woman's life. The crone is an initiator and healer, as well as, the representation of life and death, which our society has a fierce resistance to. She explains without the crone, young women are now going at it alone and suffering loss and disconnect.
- Elise describes what has replaced the crone and what the ramifications are for our political, economic, and social structures. She then describes how the binary of gender keeps men and women at odds with each other versus understanding masculine and feminine in all of us.
- She then outlines how various spiritual modalities help as a guide in healing the disconnection and getting back to our humanity. She then goes on to describe how policy can be a tool for wellness when social measures are improved for the most vulnerable of society.
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