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Zara Northover didn't want to be a pro se litigant before the US Supreme Court. Nobody wants that. But when her career was stripped away after she spoke up about workplace inequities — and when a gorilla birthday card arrived from company leadership two weeks after she was threatened — she made a choice: stand up, or live forever knowing she didn't.
Five years later, she's still standing.
What We Get Into
- [01:44] What pro se means — and why nobody chooses this path voluntarily
- [03:05] Daughter of immigrants — writing her mother's resume in sixth grade and learning what racism looks like before you have a word for it
- [04:29] Imposter syndrome is earned, not innate — why she believes self-doubt is something that gets installed, not built in
- [05:22] The Olympic mindset — what it takes to be delusional enough to compete for Jamaica in shot put and why that same energy carried her through the legal fight
- [08:10] 77 applications — walking downtown to find the founder, and getting in on audacity alone
- [11:11] From office pet to office threat — the moment helping others navigate workplace inequity made her the problem
- [13:04] The email that started it all — flagging racial disparities in lending rates and the meeting that followed
- [16:47] The gorilla card — a birthday card from company leadership that said everything without saying anything
- [19:55] Choosing to fight — what it looks like when you weigh the cost of staying silent against the cost of speaking up
- [21:31] The attorney problem — why having the wrong attorney is almost as bad as having none, and the moment she went pro se
- [24:14] Resistance is elevation — why she runs toward friction instead of away from it
- [28:27] AI as a legal tool — how ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity helped her navigate a system designed to keep non-lawyers out
- [29:48] Preseason for a lawsuit — sitting in public hearings, watching law influencers, binging Suits and Erin Brockovich
- [34:16] The human moments — breaking down in the law library, and what brought her back
- [35:00] Mirror work — the coaching practice that keeps her anchored when the fight gets heavy
About Zara Northover
Zara Northover is a 2008 Jamaican Olympian (shot put), TEDx speaker, entrepreneur, and pro se litigant before the United States Supreme Court. She is the founder of Legal Aviators, an AI-powered platform helping everyday people navigate the legal system, and she relaunched Moving in Faith, a purpose-driven brand rooted in courage and resilience. Her forthcoming book, The Cost of Justice in the Midst of the Storm, was written from inside the storm itself. She is a daughter of Jamaican immigrants, a former President's Club banker, and one of the most quietly defiant people you will ever hear.
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Michelle Collins didn't take the obvious path to becoming COO of an AI company. She took the interesting one — through journalism, database reporting, HTML, marketing technology, and eventually to the front seat of the conversational AI revolution. Today she leads CodeBaby's work in emotionally responsive digital avatars, writes about ethical AI, and still considers herself a "highly technical non-techie." Which, honestly, is exactly the kind of person you want running the intersection of technology and human connection.
What We Get Into
About Michelle Collins
Michelle Collins is the Chief Operating Officer at CodeBaby, leading the company's work in conversational AI and emotionally responsive digital avatars across healthcare, education, customer service, and hospitality. She began her career in journalism — editing the Daily Illini, interning at New York Times Digital, and contributing to the Pulitzer Prize-winning Gateway to Gridlock series at the Chicago Tribune. After a decade-plus in marketing technology, she found her way to the intersection of AI and human connection, where she now writes about ethical AI and what it actually takes to make automation feel like someone's listening.
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The Imposter Roster is produced by Imposter Roster Media. Hosted on Simplecast via JAG Podcast Productions: www.jagpodcastproductions.com
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Amanda Sweet didn't build the Revamp Ecosystem because she had a clean origin story. She built it because she needed one. From probation at 13 to beauty queen to Creative Fairy Godmother, Amanda's path runs straight through the messy, the hard, and the wildly creative — and she wouldn't have it any other way. Today, the Revamp Clothing Swap Festival draws 700+ attendees, diverts an average of 16,000 pounds of clothing from landfills every 90 days, supports 85–90 brand ambassadors and a 10–15 person media team, and just launched a print magazine. Oh, and she Googled 'biggest clothing swap festival in the world' and her own name came up.
Amanda Sweet is the founder of the Revamp Ecosystem, a culture-shifting platform where fashion meets sustainability meets full-blown community magic. Through immersive events, storytelling, and creative collaboration, she and her volunteer crew have diverted more than 76,000 pounds of clothing from landfills while creating a platform for Detroit's creatives, entrepreneurs, and emerging leaders. She is the force behind the Revamp Clothing Swap Festival, Swap magazine, and her role as Director of Ecosystem Development at Bamboo Co-Work. She is also a speaker, Miss Voluptuous America, and Detroit's Creative Fairy Godmother. In 2026, the Revamp earned three major recognitions including acceptance into the Next Cycle Michigan Accelerator. Her mission: help people get fly, make friends, and save the world — in that order.
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The Imposter Roster is produced by Imposter Roster Media. Hosted on Simplecast via JAG Podcast Productions: www.jagpodcastproductions.com
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Dr. Stephanie Muh didn't just choose orthopedic surgery — she wrote it down in the third grade and never looked back. Her elementary school teacher kept that letter and returned it to her after medical school graduation. Now a board-certified orthopedic surgeon specializing in shoulder and elbow pathology, Dr. Muh has more than 90 peer-reviewed publications, serves on multiple national committees, lectures internationally, and is joining the University of Pittsburgh's Department of Orthopedic Surgery. She's also one of only 7% of orthopedic surgeons in the country who is female.
The Imposter Roster is produced by Imposter Roster Media. Hosted on Simplecast via JAG Podcast Productions: www.jagpodcastproductions.com
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She Started With IKEA Furniture and a $5,000 Loan
In this episode, Amanda Lewan, co-founder and CEO of Bamboo, shares her journey of transforming a small co-working space into a statewide innovation network in Michigan. She discusses the challenges, mindset shifts, and community-driven approach that fueled her success, offering valuable insights for entrepreneurs and community builders.
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02:26 - “I felt like I was making up my job” — Amanda on feeling unqualified as a CEO
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What happens when the family business you swore you'd never join becomes the thing you can't imagine living without?
In this episode of The Imposter Roster, Christine Chubenko sits down with Michelle Gleba Rafalski — Managing Partner of Gleba & Associates — who quit her job at 30, called her mom, and accidentally discovered her calling in the business she grew up in.
Michelle stepped into leadership just months before COVID shut everything down, and suddenly found herself making decisions for a team that had more experience than she did — with zero playbook. Her imposter syndrome didn't hit once and disappear. It evolved, leveling up every time she did.
Christine and Michelle explore what imposter syndrome looks like when you're not starting from scratch — you're stepping into a legacy — and how powering through doesn't mean pretending the doubt isn't there.
They also discuss:
Michelle's leadership style is equal parts grit, humility, and common sense. Her approach: power through, ask the questions nobody else wants to ask, and let the plastic balls drop.
If you've ever been the one everyone looked to for answers while you were still figuring it out yourself, this episode is your permission slip to keep going anyway. Michelle has stepped boldly off the imposter roster and into her spotlight.
The Imposter Roster is produced by Imposter Roster Media. Hosted on Simplecast via JAG Podcast Productions: www.jagpodcastproductions.com
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What happens when the voice inside you says something different from everything you’ve been taught?
In this episode of The Imposter Roster, Christine Chubenko sits down with Rogue Astrology founder Robbie Hunt to explore the moment she realized she had to trust her own perspective—even when it challenged religion, tradition, and the expectations placed on her as a woman.
Raised in the Southern Baptist church, Robbie struggled with questions about faith, authority, and identity. Her turning point came unexpectedly when someone addressed her as “Reverend Robbie”—a moment that forced her to confront both her calling and the self-doubt that came with it.
Christine and Robbie dive into how imposter syndrome shows up when you're challenging powerful cultural narratives—and why stepping into your truth can feel like rebellion.
They also discuss:
Why imposter syndrome often appears when you're thinking independently
The courage required to question systems that say “don’t get above your raising”
Robbie’s path to becoming both an ordained minister and a professional astrologer
The myth of Mercury retrograde and how collective belief shapes our experiences
Why questioning authority can be a powerful form of spiritual authenticity
Robbie’s approach to astrology blends history, psychology, religion, and plain common sense. Her mission: challenge “junk astrology” and encourage people to think for themselves.
If you've ever felt the internal voice asking, “Who do you think you are?”, this episode will remind you that sometimes that question is the very doorway to your true calling.
At 63, Robbie says she has finally stepped fully into her voice—and in this conversation she shows us what it looks like to step off the imposter roster and into the spotlight.
The Imposter Roster is produced by Imposter Roster Media. Hosted on Simplecast via JAG Podcast Productions: www.jagpodcastproductions.com
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Why does imposter syndrome show up so loudly in capable women—and why do so many of us believe we’re the only ones feeling it?
In the very first episode of The Imposter Roster: The Secret Lives of Capable Women, host Christine Chubenko shares the origin story of the show: the moment she finally said out loud what so many brilliant women quietly carry—the fear of being found out, exposed, or labeled a fraud despite years of experience and success.
Joined by Emily Wrobel, who was there when the idea for The Imposter Roster was born, Christine unpacks why this conversation matters, why it’s long overdue, and why naming imposter syndrome is the first step toward loosening its grip.
In this episode, we talk about -
This episode sets the tone for the entire series: honest conversations, shared stories, and real voices from women who have questioned their place—and risen anyway.
If you’ve ever wondered whether you truly belong in the room, this show is for you.
You’re not alone. You’re just on The Imposter Roster.
The Imposter Roster is produced by Imposter Roster Media. Hosted on Simplecast via JAG Podcast Productions: www.jagpodcastproductions.com
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You're listening to the Imposter Roster- The Secret lives of Capable Women: Where brilliant, badass women admit they've felt like complete frauds and then tell us how they rose anyway,
I'm your host, Christine Chubenko, and I'm not here to fix you. I'm here to get real, laugh a little, and remind you you're not alone. You're just on the imposter roster.
If you're feeling this, please follow or subscribe to our show for free on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you're listening right now.
The Imposter Roster is produced by Imposter Roster Media. Hosted on Simplecast via JAG Podcast Productions: www.jagpodcastproductions.com
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