Johnny Bowman shares about..

- Men’s work with formerly incarcerated men and white collar millennial–and the unique medicine the former can gift

- Going from feeling like an emotional child in his early 30s, lapped by his peers, to finding and creating beautiful examples of community

- The usefulness and uselessness of shame

- The missing lessons from Harvard Business School that shaped what he pursued in work

- Trying to understand who he was after his dream didn’t pan out, without money as a buffer from facing his emotions

- What is missing from a secular justice system that we once had in religious community

- Becoming a man who can help create safety for other men

- Why he considers early Christian saints to be the biggest punks of their time

- Expanding the definition of strength so it works better for more men

- How dads are an especially lonely species, especially those who were trained not to be “The Angry Dad”

Chapters

00:59 Creating Safety and Community

15:00 "I felt like an emotional child."

18:58 Restaurant owner energy: a male archetype

23:47 The missing lessons from Harvard Business School

27:54 From my core wound to my central focus on behalf of others

35:32 "That was the most energizing feeling I could get."

38:06 "My dream did not pan out, so who am I?"

48:03 From economics and politics to emotional states

54:34 "What am I really avoiding by telling myself I'm not a good leader?"

59:38 With conflict avoidance, there is no safety

01:07:08 "Shame is a paralyzing emotion that doesn't make anyone change."

01:14:49 The Gray Area Between Spirituality, Religion, and Justice

01:29:27 Helping men feel safe

01:37:27 A credible messenger; service over domination

01:52:25 "Every dude responds well to that."

01:54:47 Finding the right words and terms for Men's Work

01:59:29 Expanding the definition of strength

02:02:30 "When people say the truth to each other, things are more interesting."

02:05:41 "Dads are an especially lonely species."

02:11:16 "Anger is the #1 emotion white collar men are afraid to express."

02:17:33 "Everyone is more similar to me than different."

02:24:04 Debrief and Behind-the-Scenes

Show Notes

20:45 - Restaurant owner energy https://newsletter.amanswork.com/p/how-to-prescribe-manhood

27:25 - All Kings, a Men’s Group for formerly incarcerated https://www.allkings.org/

01:07:15 - Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner, an Inuit film https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atanarjuat:_The_Fast_Runner

01:08:15 - robert wolff’s Original Wisdom https://www.amazon.com/Original-Wisdom-Stories-Ancient-Knowing/dp/0892818662

01:15:40 - Johnny’s blog post on the Rabbi who visited a prisoner https://newsletter.amanswork.com/p/who-are-your-people

01:22:30 - ManKind Project https://mankindproject.org/

01:25:45 - Freedom and getting your balls back https://newsletter.amanswork.com/p/the-primary-question

02:23:40 - The Mark of Cain (Russian prison tattoo documentary): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj-fccwTjuI

02:25:45 - All Kings coverage in the NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/01/style/all-kings-mens-work-retreat-masculinity.html or https://archive.is/fWfXb

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Anita Tatlow shares about..

* How 432hz can send a fussy 18-month-old to sleep

* Naming a song-in-progress to convey its essence with collaborators

* Writing music from darker places, joyous ones, and also the okay ones in between

* How an international community of friends can come together for each other during preterm births and other hard times

* Releasing music under a moniker vs under one’s own name

* Pioneering with the ambient Christian music space

* The inspiration of a geographical region through its little known sides

* The musical identity of a cosmopolitan church in Sweden with congregants from 70+ countries

Chapters

00:00 "When you're creating, everything else is silence."

10:53 Collaborating on a song through the essence of its title

14:27 432hz: The frequency of the universe..and restless toddlers?

19:43 Sounds of the night: Aurora Borealis in Sweden and gritty city lights of Hong Kong

21:41 Finding silence with children and, despite distance, international friends

30:39 The Value of Chosen Family and Close Relationships

36:25 Exploring emotions poetically and spiritually

43:11 Writing music in the dark spaces, the light ones, and the moments in between

47:44 Creating behind a moniker and under my own name

57:30 Realizing the reciprocal nature of the human experience

01:03:14 2008: Meeting over music and bonding over faith

01:06:36 Pioneering a niche with ambient Christian music

01:14:31 The space ambient music can give us

01:23:27 Art should be adding to the human experience

01:30:51 Inspiration and amazement through London, Sweden, Hong Kong, and the world

01:40:35 A cosmopolitan church in Sweden with 70+ nationalities

01:49:56 Faith through questions, doubt, and challenges

Show Notes

13:24 - Anita Tatlow’s Nocturnae https://youtu.be/9yj_DIotJdM

14:24 - 432hz https://www.calm.com/blog/432-hertz

18:05 - Organist Jameson Nathan Jones https://www.youtube.com/c/JamesonNathanJones

36:58 - Brene Brown’s Atlas of the Heart https://www.amazon.com/Atlas-Heart-Meaningful-Connection-Experience/dp/0593207246/

48:50 - Anita’s Lights EP https://open.spotify.com/album/2XpmTqJLaXDu9CGLs7P0Xz#login

49:15 - Anita and Ben’s Salt of the Sound https://www.youtube.com/saltofthesound 49:16 - Anita and Ben’s Narrow Skies https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-BypgjGf27pwbsvO-owbTA

01:11:14 17 minute co-created journey, the In Prayer EP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kd18QH97LpQ

01:18:10 - Kyrie Eleison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O05FVWIuavc

01:29:14 - Sarah Groves’s Add to the Beauty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqoxH2J1pLg

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Neseret Bemient shares about..

- Fearing the conscription of her brothers as child soldiers while in Ethiopia, navigating a Kenyan refugee camp, and emigrating to Canada 

- Becoming a mental health practitioner—and patient

- Recovering from antidepressant-induced bipolar disorder across ten different medications over 13 years (now zero)

- Living too quietly most of her and life and now opening up to speaking and being seen- Not knowing what it meant to be a mother at 22 and finding new hope through instinct

- Racing to raise her wounded inner child and intergenerational trauma to raise her daughter

- How sorting yourself out is the best gift you can give your child and being of service—and hope—to so many globally

Chapters

00:00 "How can I overcome--and help others do the same?"

13:37 Unlearning an Ethiopian bond with animals

18:07 A compassion for others from my experience

34:40 Finding hope and instinct at 22 with my daughter

42:12 "The first patient on the operating table is yourself"

46:39 Growing up in a different tradition of mutual care

53:15 Healing and wholeness is an an inner journey, not a "next pill" one

58:11 Narrative Psychiatry

01:08:54 A person who is sick has just one dream

01:13:57 Becoming a psych nurse chose me

01:21:57 Becoming the mother I wanted to be

01:37:09 The thousand dreams I've dreamt since recovery

01:49:07 Tracing the generations of women in my family

01:54:33 Living through a civil war

02:01:35 Away from mass graves and into a Kenyan refugee camp

02:16:11 Finding a new family in Canada

02:27:52 Shifting from thinking in Amharic to English; refuge through my ESL teacher

02:34:41 Finding unconditional love and commonality with a former hockey player from Alberta

02:41:01 The questions I hope to ask and the ones I hope to answer

02:47:14 Communing with my inner need to create

02:52:04 Creativity and mental illness: pathology and the normal range of human experiences

03:12:44 Debrief and Behind the Scenes

Show Notes

- Neville Goddard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Goddard

- Og Mandino’s The Greatest Miracle in the World https://www.amazon.com/Greatest-Miracle-World-Og-Mandino/dp/0553279726

- 59:04 - Lewis Mehl-Madrona’s Narrative Medicine: The Use of History and Story in the Healing Process https://www.amazon.com/Narrative-Medicine-History-Healing-Process/dp/1591430658

1:14:04 - Viktor Frankl’s Man’s Search for Meaning https://www.amazon.com/Mans-Search-Meaning-Viktor-Frankl/dp/0807014273

2:35:15 - David Hawkins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hawkins_(philosopher)

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Anya Ruvinskaya shares about..

- The lifelong search for home within the overlap of many communities

- Connecting connect to the spiritual in any culture

- Finding creativity after living through communism and atheism

- When the answers aren’t the answers and won’t give you what you think you want

- Generational values of living for oneself and living for others, and how financial freedom can obscure community ties

- The development of the individual (and AI) within different cultural values

Chapters

00:00 The Power of Curiosity

00:52 Numbing Silence, Reflective Silence, and Going inward

09:02 Curiosity in Namibia

14:51 Assimilating and Finding the Culturally Universal

24:25 Searching for Home and Feeling Estranged

45:48 Exploring From a Wound

56:36 Giving Myself Permission to Explore Making Art (While Navigating Death)

01:02:31 The Questions I'm Still Holding

01:08:44 Material Success and Letting Myself Feel Free

01:10:44 Do I Want the Answers to My Questions?

01:14:47 Running Away From My Intuition

01:22:40 The (Im)possibility of Belonging

01:30:43 Finding Creativity After Communism and Atheism

01:41:11 Alone, Not Lonely

01:46:44 Encountering the Sacred in Any Religion

01:56:18 Feeling Understood by AI (and People)

02:04:52 Personal Sabbaticals and Communal Roles

02:10:09 Unsuccessfully Filling Social Needs With TV (and AI)

02:21:52 The Development of the Individual (and AI) Within Cultural Values

02:38:43 Fostering Understanding and Connection through Conversation

Show Notes

Gentle high pitch sounds that’s pleasant from Tiesto’s Walking on Clouds, especially around 5:42): https://youtu.be/K2CeXZlSZak

47:34 Laurie Santos’ Coursera offering The Science of Wellbeing https://www.coursera.org/learn/the-science-of-well-being

48:40 The Artist’s Way https://www.amazon.com/Artists-Way-25th-Anniversary/dp/0143129252/

59:25 The Five Whys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_whys

01:25:15 - The How of Happiness by Sonja Lyubomirsky https://www.amazon.com/How-Happiness-Approach-Getting-Life/dp/0143114956

01:29:01 - Thich Nhat Hanh’s book on anger https://www.amazon.com/Anger-Cooling-Thich-Nhat-Hanh/dp/1573229377

01:56:01 - Pi, the emotionally intelligent AI https://pi.ai/onboarding

02:43:15 - James Finley on a Meditation for Two https://youtu.be/E17l20-j8hk

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Bethany Ranes shares about..

- Becoming maternal as a stepmother, letting failure guide development

- How growing up in an era of shame helped her become a more attuned neuroscientist

- A quirky neuroscientist's intuition, interoception, and instinct

- Appalachian Granny Magick

- Rolling into a police station with derby gear and a mohawk–-for professional reason

s - Seeing the soul as the energy between the neurons

Chapters

00:00 "Sensations of the Past With the Thoughts of the Present"

07:48 Aha Moments and a Continuous State of Awe

12:46 Parenting and Learning from Mistakes

18:53 Rebelling In Favor of Boredom

21:15 Becoming Step-Maternal and Nurturing the Ability to Fail

26:29 Taking Things Apart But Not Putting Them Back Together

32:28 Growing Up in an Era of Shame..While Helping Those In Need

35:30 Depression as a Condition of Being

38:51 Your Body is Working as it Should

42:35 Being a Perennial Misunderstood

49:45 A Neuroscientist's Intuition, Interoception, and Instinct

01:15:56 Living in a Place, As What the Place Is

01:22:06 The Quirky People Who Let Me Embrace My Quirk

01:33:14 Being Loved Because I'm Like This

01:39:45 Continuity With My Family's Culture: From Other-ness to Us-ness

01:52:01 Exploring Abnormal Psychology (Because It's All Abnormal)

01:55:47 The Soul as the Energy Between the Neurons

02:05:10 The Symbols Only Available to Us Through Other Religions--Including Appalachian Granny Magic

02:11:20 Making Rules That Aren't "'Cuz I Said So"

02:20:00 Imagination, Creativity, and Solving SQL Challenges in a Dream

02:41:37 Embracing Curiosity and Self-Discovery

02:48:15 Debrief and Behind the Scenes

Show Notes

~14:40 Nobel Prize-winning Hungarian biochemist Albert Szent-Gyorgyi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Szent-Gy%C3%B6rgyi

John Wheeler’s Participatory Universe image (the J that is actually a U) https://www.organism.earth/library/docs/john-archibald-wheeler/participatory-universe.jpg

02:04:00 - Lisa Feldman Barrett and untranslatable foreign words: https://how-emotions-are-made.com/notes/Emotion_concepts_from_non-English_languages

02:08:41 - Appalachian Granny Magick https://folklife.si.edu/magazine/appalachian-folk-magic More on it here: https://youtu.be/ex_4tgyzWZ8

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IJ shares about..

- Embodying his beliefs, even when labeled a heretic by former communities

- Identity and acceptance as part of the Tangkhul tribe in India: across faith and culture

- Mourning a stillborn son and finding the sacred in martial arts and fatherhood

- Learning to see beauty through painting

- Whether clarity of thought can save relationships

Show Notes

16:21 - Josef Pieper’s Leisure: The Basis of Culture https://www.amazon.com/Leisure-Basis-Culture-Josef-Pieper/dp/1586172565

18:15 Abbaye de Saint-Benoît-du-Lac https://www.abbaye.ca/en/

30:31 - John Searle’s Chinese Room argument https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

31:08 - Accelerationist Movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

32:05 - Marc Andreessen’s AI Will Save the World https://a16z.com/ai-will-save-the-world/

49:20 - Bernardo Kastrup https://twitter.com/bernardokastrup

50:20 - Laurens van der Post’s biography of Jung https://www.amazon.com/Jung-Story-Time-Laurens-Post/dp/0394721756

50:30 - Carl Jung’s Memories, Dreams, Reflections https://www.amazon.com/Memories-Dreams-Reflections-C-Jung/dp/0679723951/ Laurens van der Post’s life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurens_van_der_Post

01:07:00 - Daniel Everett and his life with the Piraha in Don’t Sleep There Are Snakes https://www.amazon.com/Dont-Sleep-There-Are-Snakes/dp/0307386120

01:16:45 - Sufi practice of Dhikr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhikr 01:21:15 - Brunello Cucinelli’s life philosophy https://www.brunellocucinelli.com/en/my-life.html

01:36:50 - Sufi practice of Itlak in Nevit O. Ergin’s book The Path of Annihilation https://www.amazon.com/Sufi-Path-Annihilation-Tradition-Jalaluddin/dp/1620552744/

01:58:35 -  @transcendentalfilms's Pursuit of Silence documentary https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4026570/ Director Patrick Shen’s reflections on incorporating silence and monasticism in his daily life

02:01:25 - Buddhist notion of the Rainbow Body https://enlightenmentthangka.com/blogs/thangka/the-rainbow-body

02:05:50 - Paul Kalanithi’s When Breath Becomes Air https://www.amazon.com/When-Breath-Becomes-Paul-Kalanithi/dp/081298840X

02:11:15 - As of 2019, Teikoku Databank reported that Japan had over 33,000 companies that had been in business for more than 100 years, and over 3,000 that were more than 200 years old https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200211-why-are-so-many-old-companies-in-japan

02:14:35 - Ender’s Game quote on loving and understanding your enemy https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/97512-in-the-moment-when-i-truly-understand-my-enemy-understand

02:17:15 - Martin Luther’s “I can do no other” https://columbiametro.com/article/here-i-stand-i-can-do-no-other/

02:25:50 - El Camino, a Catholic pilgrimage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camino_de_Santiago

02:44:04 - Tat Tvam Asi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mah%C4%81v%C4%81kyas#Tat_Tvam_Asi

02:57:15 - Adi Shankara’s philosophy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adi_Shankara#Philosophy_and_practice

03:08:25 - Baltasar Gracián’s El Discreto: The Complete Man (1646) https://www.amazon.com/El-Discreto-Complete-Baltasar-Graci%C3%A1n/dp/1945028521/

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* Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@BecomingAntifragile1

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Kelly shares about..

- Writing a best-selling book on creativity and emotional regulation in seven days

- Living within cycles, rhythms, and seasons—from creating to resting

- Helping her dad die

- Finding the pinnacle of self-actualization: Goof

- Letting herself re-explore all of the creative sides she muted in her early youth

- A surprise view into Kelly’s dancer alter ego from her 20s

Show Notes

~20:15 Bill Plotkin and eco-niche : https://www.dailygood.org/story/2766/the-descent-to-soul-an-overview-of-the-terrain-bill-plotkin/

~27:12: Bill Plotkin’s Mandorla: https://www.animas.org/glossary-to-language-of-soul-canyon/

~54:07: Barbara Karnes’ hospice pamphlets https://bkbooks.com/pages/about-barbara

~01:12:05: Francis Weller’s book on grief: https://www.amazon.com/Wild-Edge-Sorrow-Rituals-Renewal-ebook/dp/B00RKQ646Q?ref_=ast_author_dp

~01:12:23: Jonny Miller’s TedX talk on the gifts of grief: https://www.ted.com/talks/jonny_miller_the_gifts_of_grief?subtitle=en

~ 01:18:15 Gabor Mate on trauma: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2023/apr/12/the-trauma-doctor-gabor-mate-on-happiness-hope-and-how-to-heal-our-deepest-wounds

Thoth. Academy Award-winning documentary:

and Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._K._Thoth

Animas Valley Institute: https://www.animas.org/

~2:07:20 Ramana Maharshi’s question of “Who am I?” https://www.davidgodman.org/who-am-i-sri-ramana-maharshis-teachings-on-how-to-realise-the-self/

~02:13:05 Gabrielle Bernstein’s The Universe Has Your Back: Transform Fear to Faith -https://www.amazon.com/Universe-Has-Your-Back-Transform-dp-1401946550/dp/1401946550/ref=dp_ob_title_bk

~02:23:05 Winifred Gallagher’s The Power of Place: How Our Surroundings Shape Our Thoughts, Emotions, and Actions https://www.amazon.com/Power-Place-Surroundings-Thoughts-Emotions/dp/0061233358/

~02:32:15 Origin of Melatonin: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/science/the-evolution-of-sleep-700-million-years-of-melatonin.html https://archive.is/9c2nJ

02:40:50 Creative Dysregulation https://www.amazon.com/Creative-Dysregulation-Creativity-Chaotic-About-ebook/dp/B0CVBM1JT

~02:46:29: David Whyte’s The Three Marriages https://www.amazon.com/Three-Marriages-Reimagining-Work-Relationship/dp/159448435X

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* Visit Kelly's website 

* Learn about her book, Creative Dysregulation

* Take the Creative Regulation Self-Assessment

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