On this episode of The J-Card Podcast, we’re joined by Nathan, Jacob, & Sam from Oceanic to explore why their live performances might matter more than chasing virality. They dive into balancing social media with creativity, and building community through going live on TikTok. We also cover the highs and lows of touring, from packed Chicago shows to an infamous empty bar in Knoxville, and hear candid advice on landing managers and booking agents. Plus, we wrap up with the weirdest game of all: the “Ocean Draft”!

Info on Oceanic’s tour and music is here, and here they are on IG @oceanicofficial

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Intro to Oceanic

01:39 - What’s Stuck in Your Head?

05:02 - Why Live Shows Matter

08:17 - Using Visual Elements and Working With A Creative Director

11:30 - Adapting to Venues & Show Horror Stories

17:21 - Dream Show They’ve Played

19:05 - Touring vs TikTok

26:13 - Having to be a “Content Creator”

33:56 - How to Get a Manager and a Booking Agent

38:29 - Tour Announcements

42:29 - Mixtape Segment Begins

43:20 - “Seizure of Assets” by Militarie Gun

45:59 - “Mona Lisa” by Porter Robinson

48:07 - “Living Proof” by The War on Drugs

51:17 - “Speech Bubble” by Flyte

54:46 - “Ego Death at a Bachelorette Party” by Hayley Williams

57:21 - “Knives Out” by Radiohead

1:00:58 - Mixtape Wrap-Up

01:01:25 - Game: The Ocean Draft

01:07:05 - Closing & Plugs

01:08:25 - Season Finale Sign-Off

On this episode of The J-Card Podcast, we’re joined by designer Eric Castorena to talk about his creative journey as a designer, the intersection of design and music, the power of physical media, and what it means to craft a “visual personality” for a band. Eric shares personal stories from Houston's music scene, gives flowers to the bands who shaped his taste, and brings a heartfelt mixtape that doubles as a love letter to the people who helped him find his voice. And of course, we had to do a bracket of some iconic album art!

See some of Eric’s work at his site, and give Post Post a follow on IG @postpost.htx

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Intro to Eric Castorena

01:53 - What’s Been Stuck In Your Head?

06:13 - Design Influences & Getting Into Music

11:31 - The Visual Side of Music

14:02 - The Corporate vs Passion Projects Balance

18:01 - Breaking Out Of Corporate Creative

22:38 - Brand Identity for Musicians

26:39 - Poster Design and Community Impact

30:34 - Physical Media Preservation & Design Stories

32:47 - Album Packaging Design

36:13 - Post Post DJ Collective

40:19 - Eric’s Mixtape Begins

42:24 - “Fighting Wonders” by Thumbscrew

45:30 - “Best of the One Liners” by The Y Equals

48:28 - “Crown” by Stadium

52:41 - “Oh My God” by Papermoons

56:26 - “The Match” by The Eastern Sea

58:45 - “Feathers” by Buxton

01:02:28 - “Rothko Chapel” by David Dondero

01:04:53 - “Howler” by Football, Etc.

01:07:55 - “Life Ordinary” by Mister Data

01:11:13 - Mixtape Wrap-up

01:12:58 - Album Art Bracket

01:31:59 - Eric’s Plugs and Where to Find Him

On this episode of The J-Card Podcast, we’re joined by Weajue Mombo, one of the twin sister hosts behind Absent Sounds, a Canadian radio show devoted to spotlighting albums as an art form. We talk about falling in love with lyrics, why albums are better than singles, and how Absent Sounds is blending radio, visual art, and DIY ethos into something personal and powerful.

We also dive into a chaotic blind-ranking of Canadian bands, stories about first concerts, and a very Canadian near-death experience!

Absent Sounds is live on CJAM 99.1 every Monday. Follow Absent Sounds on IG @absent.sounds

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

New episodes drop here and wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for watching — and if you liked this one, share it with a friend who also might.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Intro to Weajue & Absent Sounds

01:41 - What’s Been Stuck in Your Head?

06:26 - Canadian Artists vs American Artists

08:23 - Saying "Toronto" Right

09:03 - How Absent Sounds Got Started

12:38 - Favorite Moments and Interviews

14:23 - The Visual Side of Radio

17:40 - Balancing Creative Freedom vs Commercial Work

20:41 - Toronto’s Music Scene

22:32 - CJAM and Windsor

25:30 - Physical Media & Tape Club

27:42 - Mixtape Theme: Breathing

28:21 - “Don’t Wait for Daylight” by NEEDTOBREATHE

31:21 - “Breathe, Desperately” by From Indian Lakes

33:21 - “HOLDING MY BREATH” by Kicksie

35:50 - “Ill Lung” by And So I Watch You From Afar

39:23 - “First Reactions After Falling Through the Ice” by La Dispute

43:15 - “What Went Weird” by Bobbing

45:00 - “The Sound of a Blooming Flower” by Baths

47:46 - “Wasted Acres” by Grizzly Bear

50:09 - “Duvet” by bôa

52:53 - “I Punched Through The Wall” by quickly, quickly

56:49 - Blind Ranking Canadian Musicians

1:03:09 - Where To Find Weajue and Absent Sounds

1:04:25 - Join the Tape Club!

Katie Callihan of the band Perish joins us for a deep-dive into how her new project came to life, from recording their debut EP in a whirlwind weekend to navigating the DIY music scene in NYC. We talk about forming a band through playing at a church, balancing creative control in the studio, and how Florida never really leaves you. Plus, we play Build The Bill!

Perish's debut EP drops September 12, keep an eye out! Follow Perish on IG @_p3rish

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

New episodes drop here and wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for watching — and if you liked this one, share it with a friend who also might.

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⏱️ Chapters:

CHAPTERS

00:00 - Intro to Katie & Perish

01:32 - What’s Been Stuck in Your Head Lately?

06:11 - Naming the Band Perish

08:53 - Navigating The Recording Process

14:43 - How the Band Formed Through a Church Collective

20:00 - Moving from Florida to NYC

21:28 - The Family Connection Behind the EP

23:07 - Introducing the Mixtape Segment

27:54 - "Life Signs” by Water From Your Eyes

30:08 - "0%" by Hello Mary

32:22 - "Sparklehorse" by Nara’s Room

34:52 - "Prettiest Girl of Heaven" by Caroline Strickland

39:19 - "Mar” by Maria Usbeck

42:24 - "L Train" by Abby Huston

45:33 - "Big Plans" by Catie Lausten

48:02 - "Echoes" by Leah Rando

49:47 - Reflecting on the Mixtape

51:22 - Game: Build the Bill ($15 Festival Lineup)

58:42 - Where to Find Perish + Episode Wrap-Up

Brainrot Radio is a live, fully remote, internet radio station with over 100 DJs across the U.S. — no pre-records. On this episode of The J-Card Podcast, Jackie and Spencer (the founders of Brainrot Radio) share how they turned a solo show into a sprawling community, the growing pains of DIY broadcasting, meme fatigue, mission statements, and then they build a joint mixtape featuring everything from shoegaze and dream pop to country recordings from the 1920s.

Plus: are bucket hats back again?? Learn more about Brainrot at http://brainrotradio.com or on IG @brainrot.radio

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

New episodes drop here and wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for watching — and if you liked this one, share it with a friend who also might.

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⏱️ Chapters:

CHAPTERS

00:00 - Intro to Jackie & Spencer from Brainrot Radio

01:30 - What’s Been Stuck In Your Head

05:39 - How Brainrot Radio Got Started

12:08 - The Scale of the Station: 100+ DJs

15:39 - Social Media Fatigue

18:21 - Speed Bumps & Challenges

23:01 - Behind-the-Scenes of the Music Department

24:59 - Goals for the Future

27:28 - How to Listen or Apply to DJ

28:46 - Mixtape Segment Begins

31:03 - “Loud Bark” by Mannequin Pussy

32:52 - “Nk - Live” by Ulrika Spacek

35:19 - “So Busted” by Culture Abuse

37:17 - “Goodbye” by Hooky

39:46 - “Wishes” by Beach House

42:40 - “Bright Lanterns” by The Tallest Man on Earth

45:39 - “Chrysalis” by Empire of the Sun

47:46 - “Cannon Ball Blues” by The Carter Family

50:48 - Mixtape Wrap-Up

51:33 - Game: Debut Duel

01:00:36 - Outro & Plugs

MKay (aka Michael Kelly) is a culture tech researcher (on Substack: mkay), YouTuber, and the founder of Shelfy, a social app built for thoughtful sharing. In this episode of The J-Card Podcast, he talks with us about building an AI twin of himself, the slow death of music scenes, why modern YouTube feels broken, and how Discord servers might be the digital equivalent of DIY venues.

We also dig into why AI music like “Velvet Sundown” is ethically sketchy, what the film industry can teach us about fixing creator culture, the case for collaborative scenes over siloed influencers, and MKay’s next project: Hyperthesis, which combines video essays with app prototypes.

And of course, we wrap with a mixtape—featuring Dome 3000, Palmistry, Vanessa Amara, and more.

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

New episodes drop here and wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for watching — and if you liked this one, share it with a friend who also might.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Intro to MKay

01:40 - What’s Stuck in Your Head?

04:48 - Creating an AI Twin

09:21 - Ethics of AI in Music

16:48 - The Tech Industry vs The Music Industry

19:52 - Building Digital “Scenes”

25:27 - Hyperthesis: Cultural Essays + App Prototypes

28:11 - Where to Find MKay Online

29:43 - What Is Shelfy?

31:08 - Mixtape Begins: Nature is My Church

33:24 - "Arcadia" by dome 3000

34:32 - "A Tune for Us" by DjRUM

36:14 - “just another step" by Anatole Muster

38:43 - "Last Night I Dreamt I Was Alone" (Loukeman Remix) by Vegyn

40:56 - “L.L.L” by Woesum

43:20 - "HEROINES” by Palmistry

45:40 - "Pulled Me in Dark" by Giant Claw

48:16 - "Right Here & Upside Down" by Vanessa Amara

51:23 - "Love Won’t Love You" by Vanessa Amara

53:01 - Mixtape Wrap-Up

53:42 - Game Segment: Music Tech Tier List

01:14:25 - Plugs & Outro

On this episode of The J-Card Podcast, NYC-based photographer and director Jeremy Cohen (aka Jerm) joins us to talk about shooting festivals like Gov Ball and Treefort, his new Meet Cutes NYC photo book, and how he built a career by following curiosity over clout.

We dig into his favorite music festivals to shoot (and why Treefort rules), how he got started as a photographer, building a meaningful portfolio through passion projects, stories from photographing NYC's wildest characters, tips for aspiring photographers trying to break in, and an eclectic mixtape of songs that inspire him — from Fleetwood Mac to James Blake.

📚 Meet Cutes NYC is available for preorder now right here!

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

New episodes drop here and wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for watching — and if you liked this one, share it with a friend who also might.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Intro to Jerm

01:58 - Stuck In Your Head

05:08 - Photographing Music Festivals

11:15 - How Jerm Got Started In Photography

12:55 - First Gigs

17:13 - Tips for Aspiring Photographers

19:17 - Twins Days Fest

20:34 - Meet Cutes NYC Book: Behind the Scenes

25:55- Jeremy’s Eclectic Mixtape Starts

27:34 - “Everywhere” by Fleetwood Mac

30:04 - “Crash Out” by Dax Flame

32:44 - “GOT DAMN” by Gunna

38:47 - “in heaven” by bad tuner & Miette Hope

40:41 - “NAUSEOUS” by PERRIS

43:01 - “You’re Too Precious” by James Blake

45:18 - “New York” by Junior Varsity

48:56 - “Plug Walk” by DrewKey5000

52:04 - “Will I See You Again?” by Thee Sacred Souls

54:26 - “Freckles” by The New Mastersounds

56:46 - Mixtape Wrap-up

57:32 - Game: No Flash, One’s Trash

01:09:33 - Plugs + Where to Find Jerm

On this episode of The J-Card Podcast, we sit down with Malia Delacruz — the artist behind Ciao Malz — to talk about what really happens after you release your first big project.

Following the buzz of her Safe Then Sorry EP, Malia walks us through her first real press cycle: DIY promo, working with a label, running live sessions, and dealing with the chaos of social media. We talk about the weird emotional math of streaming numbers, the cringe task of self-promotion, and why seeing Dead & CO at The Sphere was such a life-changing moment for her.

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

New episodes drop here and wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for watching — and if you liked this one, share it with a friend who also might.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 – Intro

02:08 – What’s Been Stuck In Your Head?

05:02 – Behind-the-scenes of doing DIY press/promo

09:08 – Social media can feel “gross”

11:10 – Recording remote sessions

15:26 – Metrics, streams, and how to determine success

21:20 – Mixtape intro: theme and vibe

22:25 – “Bittersweet Symphony” – The Verve

24:54 – “Atlantic City” – Bruce Springsteen

28:02 – “Fancy” – Bobbie Gentry

30:00 – “The Night the Lights Went Out in Georgia” – Reba McEntire

32:23 – “Maria” – Greg Mendez

34:45 – “Hello, It’s Me” – Todd Rundgren

37:43 – “Joker Lips” – MJ Lenderman

40:38 – “The Gambler” – Kenny Rogers

42:22 – Nashville retrospective

45:04 – FIRSTS & LASTS

45:28 – First & Last Show You Played

47:30 – First & Last Instruments

50:13 – First & Last Concerts

54:15 – First & Last Artist Obsessions

58:02 – First & Last Albums

1:00:26 – Wrap-up & where to find Ciao Malz

Justin MacFayden is the creator behind Hope You Like It, a YouTube doc series that goes deep on the lives of working artists. In this episode of The J-Card Podcast, we talk about how the project started, why it resonates, and what it takes to tell real stories without burning out. We also dig into ethnomusicology, unearthing undiscovered music, and bummer jams. Plus, we play “Build the Bill,” where Justin assembles a dream concert lineup with a limited budget.

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Intro: Meet Justin MacFayden

03:56 - What’s Stuck in Your Head: Earworms & Guilty Faves

10:42 - Why Justin Makes Documentaries About Working Artists

14:06 - Finding Undiscovered Musicians

18:11 - Your Art vs Your Craft

21:33 - Behind “Hope You Like It” Season 2

26:02 - Justin’s Mixtape: A Theme of Injury & Melancholy

28:59 - Morphine – “Candy”

32:04 - CeDell Davis – “Catfish and Cornbread”

35:07 - Blaze Foley – “I Should Have Been Home”

38:36 - Django Reinhardt – “After You’ve Gone”

42:27 - Gene Clark – “Some Misunderstanding”

46:27 - Terry Stafford – “Suspicion”

49:51 - Hoover – “Take My Hand”

52:54 - The Tragically Hip – “Bobcaygeon”

56:46 - Crosby, Stills & Nash – “Just a Song Before I Go”

59:15 - Mixtape Wrap-Up

1:00:14 - Game Time: Build the Bill ($15 Dream Lineup)

1:05:43 - Wrap-Up + Where to Find Justin

1:07:00 - Final Message + Thanks

On this episode of The J-Card Podcast, we have Graham W. Bell. Graham is a photographer, writer, and musician. He’s the founder of Focus Group Photo, which is a photography collective geared towards creating access to shows for up-and-coming photographers. Graham also runs the Rue Defense label, where he has helped release music from Elly Swope, Simple Shapes, Committeemen, and more.

The J-Card is presented by Rue Defense Tape Club, a quarterly, mail-order cassette compilation and DIY audio project. Hosted by Alexei Shishkin, each episode is part music discovery, part oral history, part hangout show. We ask artists, musicians, filmmakers, and other music-minded folks to build us their own personal mixtape and talk about the moments and memories that inspired it.

New episodes drop here and wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for watching — and if you liked this one, share it with a friend who also might.

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⏱️ Chapters:

00:00 - Intro

00:59 - Welcome, Graham!

01:55 - What’s Been Stuck In Your Head Lately?

06:03 - Playing in Committeemen + Houston DIY Music

18:16 - Treefort + Starting Focus Group Photo

22:32 - Photographer/Band Relationships & Getting Paid

28:37 - Rue Defense + Releasing Tapes

33:36 - Starting the Tape Club Project

36:44 - Mixtape Segment Begins

38:27 - “Restless and Tired” by Lawn

41:00 - “What Color Is Blood” by Parquet Courts

44:06 - “Vanity” by Porcelain

45:49 - “Dope Cloud” by Protomartyr

49:15 - “Last Draw” by Grocery Bag

52:36 - “Old Rope” by Committeemen

56:06 - “I Want You (Fever)” by Momma

59:16 - “Cross The Street” by Junior Varsity

61:13 - “Dirty Crockpot” by The Phlegms

63:48 - “Stupid” by Trembler

67:43 - Dream Band Game

77:01 - Wrap-Up + Where to Find Graham

80:04 - Final Message + Thanks