Sometimes the hardest part about a crime isn't figuring out what happened — it's revisiting what's already been decided. Once a case is closed and a conclusion settles in, changing that can be just as difficult as investigating it was in the first place.

My guest today is Jill Collin Jefferson, a civil and human rights attorney and the founder of JULIAN, an organization focused on investigating modern-day lynchings. JULIAN works with families and communities seeking answers in cases that have often gone unresolved or unquestioned.

In this episode, we talk about how Jill approaches this work, how cases reach her in the first place, and what it takes to reexamine investigations that others have already moved on from. Jill walks us through the Willie Andrew Jones Jr. case in Mississippi, her arrest in Lexington while monitoring police, and the contentious relationships that come with exposing gaps in law enforcement investigations.

Jill Collen Jefferson, JULIAN’s founder and Executive Director, is a civil and human rights attorney who grew up in the racism and de facto segregation of rural Mississippi and was trained by the leaders of the civil rights movement. She was mentored by the great civil rights leader Julian Bond, the organization’s namesake, who taught her civil rights history and strategy. She earned her bachelor’s degree from the University of Virginia and her J.D. from Harvard Law School, where she is now faculty in its Trial Advocacy Workshop. She hails from a farm in southeastern Mississippi.

What happens when the people shaping national crime policy don’t actually have the data they need?

In this episode, I sit down with Rachel Harmon, law professor at the University of Virginia who previously served as a senior policy adviser for criminal justice for the White House Domestic Policy Council. 

Rachel provides a rare inside look at how crime policy really gets made, breaking down  what it’s like working inside the White House -- where decisions move fast, data moves slow, and the pressure to respond to public fear doesn’t wait for evidence to catch up. She explains why even basic questions, like how big a problem carjacking actually is, can be nearly impossible to answer in real time, and how that gap shapes policy decisions.

The conversation dives into the messy reality behind “data-driven policy,” including:

• Why crime data often arrives too late to guide decisions
• How political pressure competes with long-term strategy
• What it takes to actually implement policy after it’s announced
• And why the U.S. still lacks basic data on policing, charges, and outcomes

Tune in for a fun, informative conversation on the messy business of making Federal criminal justice policy. 

Rachel Harmon is the Harrison Robertson Professor of Law and directs the Center for Criminal Justice at the University of Virginia School of Law. She is one of the nation’s leading scholars on policing and the law.

Ken Dilanian is a seasoned journalist covering the Justice Department and FBI,  and in this episode he shares his insights on the evolving landscape of covering those agencies. We talk about crime data, the challenges of media coverage in 2026, the impact of political shifts on justice institutions, and a whole lot more in this jam-packed conversation.  

There are few journalists in the country with a better front row seat to the Justice Department in 2026 and Ken paints a fascinating picture of what it takes to cover it. 

Ken Dilanian is a veteran journalist covering the Justice Department, FBI, and national security for MSNBC (MSNOW), formerly NBC News.

With over 30 years in journalism—including decades as a newspaper reporter—he specializes in intelligence, legal affairs, and federal law enforcement. He has reported extensively on crime data, public perception of crime, and the intersection of politics and justice. 

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• MSNBC / MSNOW – National security & justice coverage

New Orleans has had one of the nation's highest murder rates every year for decades. Since 2023, however, violent crime has dropped sharply — and in this episode, I talk with Mayor Helena Moreno about crime and criminal justice in New Orleans. We discuss the city's difficulties, like a severe budget crisis and the ongoing challenge of abysmally low sexual assault clearance rates, as well as the city's successes. 

Mayor Moreno has had a front row seat to the city's crime rise and subsequent decline, and she details what she attributes the historic drop to — a combination of prevention investments like expanded summer jobs programs and violence intervention, targeted policing of the most violent offenders, and critical partnerships with state and federal law enforcement. Crime and criminal justice issues in New Orleans are often a microcosm of what is happening nationally, and this conversation puts a spotlight on how to attack problems happening both in New Orleans and throughout the country.

Mayor Helena Moreno is a leader whose path to City Hall began not in politics, but as an Emmy-winning investigative reporter at WDSU. After years of exposing systemic failures behind the anchor desk, Moreno transitioned to public service in 2010, eventually serving as City Council President before her historic mayoral victory in 2025. Throughout her career, she has been a tireless advocate for accountability and equity—spearheading reforms ranging from cannabis decriminalization and renewable energy initiatives to expanded protections for sexual assault survivors. Born in Mexico and fueled by her early experiences as an immigrant, Mayor Moreno now brings that same spirit of urgency and responsiveness to the city’s highest office.

I talk a lot about crime analysis and analyzing crime data, but I realized that I’ve never actually talked to a crime analyst yet. To correct this, I’m talking with Carlee Ruiz, a former crime analyst and policing researcher, discussing how she bridges the gap between academic research and real-world law enforcement through her platform, Police Research Hub.

Carlee highlights how valuable evidence-based insights are often inaccessible or underused, and explores the growing role of data, AI, and technologies like real-time crime centers in policing. The conversation also examines the balance between anecdotal experience and empirical evidence, emphasizing that context and implementation matter. Ruiz further discusses recruitment and retention challenges, pointing to leadership and organizational culture as key drivers of officer turnover.

Carlee Ruiz is a former crime and intelligence analyst with the Modesto Police Department and now works in research and technical assistance for law enforcement agencies at RTI International. She saw firsthand that much of the research useful to officers wasn’t easily accessible, which inspired her to create a website that translates peer-reviewed studies into practical, actionable insights for policing.

Resources

• Police Research Hub

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Today I am talking with Adam Gelb, President and CEO of the Council on Criminal Justice. Adam started CCJ in 2019 with a vision of bringing together as many different viewpoints as possible from across the political aisle to find common ground and make smart, evidence-backed policy recommendations.

For this conversation, we talk about why murder has fallen so dramatically over the last few years, how you build a sustainable organization that spans the political spectrum, and how CCJ brings together experts on such a wide range of topics covering everything from crime trends to the future of AI in criminal justice. 

Adam Gelb has been working for a more just and effective criminal justice system throughout a varied 40-year career. Before founding the Council on Criminal Justice in 2019, Gelb was an award-winning crime reporter at The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, staff to the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, crime policy director for the lieutenant governor of Maryland, director of the Georgia Sentencing Commission, and led public safety initiatives at the Pew Charitable Trusts. Gelb speaks frequently with the media about national trends and state innovations and advises policy makers on strategies that are grounded in facts, evidence, and fundamental principles of justice.

Baltimore is typically seen as the poster child for high crime with the city consistently having one of the nation’s highest murder rates. Things have been changing in Baltimore in the last few years though as the city has had a nearly 60 percent reduction in murder 3since 2022. It is a remarkable story of solving gun violence using every tool in the toolkit. 

To understand this amazing turnaround , I talked to Baltimore Mayor Brandon Scott. Mayor Scott shares his journey, innovative strategies, and insights on reducing gun violence and transforming public safety in Baltimore. This is an episode about how data-driven approaches, community engagement, and leadership are shaping one city’s future.

Brandon M. Scott is the 52nd Mayor of Baltimore, and the youngest person to hold the position in more than 100 years. Mayor Scott is committed to ending gun violence, restoring the public’s trust in government and creating a brighter, better and more equitable Baltimore for all.

Resources:

• Learn More: Mayor Brandon Scott

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I thought about doing this episode very soon after starting this podcast. Ferne Pearlstein and Bob Edwards made a documentary more than a decade ago called “The Last Laugh” which talked about how comedy can tackle a tragedy as immense as the Holocaust and what lessons that might suggest for effectively communicating about crime. They interviewed basically every comedy legend you could think of and it’s an incredible film that will make you laugh and cry. 

Talking to them and trying to tease out what lessons it might have for understanding and communicating about crime was a conversation that I really wanted to have and one that I really enjoyed. I think you will too. 

Ferne Pearlstein is an award-winning producer, director, cinematographer, and editor, based in New York. She is a winner of the Sundance Cinematography Prize, and a member of the Documentary Branch of the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts & Sciences. In addition to her features SUMO EAST AND WEST and THE LAST LAUGH, which she produced, directed, shot, and edited, and both of which premiered at Tribeca Film Festival and aired nationally on PBS”s Independent Lens series, she is currently producing JACK WHITTEN: A COSMIC SOUL, directed by Yoruba Richen.

Robert Edwards is writer, filmmaker, and the author of Resisting the Right: How to Survive the Gathering Storm, published by OR Books, about how to resist right wing authoritarianism in the US. He wrote and directed the feature films LAND OF THE BLIND, starring Ralph Fiennes and Donald Sutherland, and WHEN I LIVE MY LIFE OVER AGAIN, (aka ONE MORE TIME) starring Christopher Walken and Amber Heard. Most recently he co-produced and co-directed the feature documentary DEATH & TAXES with Justin Schein, and writes The King’s Necktie, a weekly blog on politics.

ASK E. JEAN, director Ivy Meeropol’s feature documentary about E. Jean Carroll, which premiered at the 2025 Telluride Film Festival, and on which Ferne a writer, editor, and supervising producer, will be in theaters this spring.

Have you heard about the police department in Utah where report drafting AI interpreted footage from an officer’s body camera of The Princess and the Frog playing in the background of an incident to mean the officer had morphed into a frog? 

AI has come a long way in the last few years but it still isn’t perfect. Within AI is the potential for revolutionary disruption of traditional processes, but there is also the danger of relying too heavily on a tool that is only right most of the time for efforts that require perfection or near perfection. 

For this conversation, I turned to Ian Adams. Ian is an assistant professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of South Carolina. Before taking his PhD in political science at the University of Utah, he was a police officer and police labor executive. His research is focused on policing, broadly construed, with a focus on behavior and technology.

Ian has also researched and written extensively about AI, and today’s conversation is all about the uses of AI in policing, the potential/actual pitfalls, and where this technology might be heading in the world of criminal justice. 

If you’re interested in some extra credit work, two papers related to this topic you should check out are:

1. Adams, I. T., Barter, M., McLean, K., Boehme, H. M., & Geary, I. A. (2024). No man’s hand: Artificial intelligence does not improve police report writing speed. Journal of Experimental Criminology. https://doi.org/10.1007/s11292-024-09644-7
2. Adams, I. T., McLean, K., & Alpert, G. P. (2026). Improving police behavior through artificial intelligence: Pre-registered experimental results in two large US agencies. Criminology, 0(0), 1–15. https://doi.org/10.1111/1745-9125.70028

To get in touch or peruse peruse different papers/projects/dashboards, Ian’s website is ianadamsresearch.com. 

And while you’re here, be sure to check out these other recent great episodes:

Politics podcaster Galen Druke

Arnold Ventures Executive Vice President Jennifer Doleac

FBI Assistant Director Timothy Ferguson

Orleans Parish District Attorney Jason Williams

Resources:

• Learn More: Ian Adam’s USC Profile

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Today’s guest is Galen Druke, host of the GD Politics podcast and one of the smartest voices out there talking about the intersection of politics and data. This episode’s mission was simple: do the most terrifying thing imaginable for your intrepid podcast host and try to talk about the role of politics on how we talk about and perceive crime. 

There’s a national election coming up in November and we discuss whether the nation’s crime trends will play a role or if the fact that crime is dropping will make it a political non-issue for the midterms. I don’t delve into politics often so it was good to have a knowledgeable guide like Galen for this terrific conversation. 

Galen Druke is the host of the GD POLITICS podcast, which aims to explain politics and the world with curiosity, rigor and a sense of humor. He previously covered elections for 10 years at FiveThirtyEight, where he hosted their popular politics podcast.

While you're here, be sure to check out these other great recent episodes of the Jeff-alytics podcast!

Arnold Ventures Executive Vice President Jennifer Doleac

FBI Assistant Director Timothy Ferguson

Orleans Parish District Attorney Jason Williams

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