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- Tucker's Demons, Vance's Failure, and America's Spiritual War | Ep. 46 w/ Rod Dreher
Jeremy Boreing sits down with author and cultural critic Rod Dreher for a nearly two-hour conversation about his forthcoming book, Weimar America — and the argument that the same illiberal spirit Dreher once diagnosed on the left is now rising on the right.
Dreher’s 2020 bestseller Live Not by Lies described wokeness as a form of soft totalitarianism, drawing on the testimony of Christians who had survived Soviet communism. Five years later, after a long stint living in Viktor Orban’s Hungary, he returned to America convinced that the warning signs of a pre-totalitarian society — what Hannah Arendt called social atomization, a collapse of faith in institutions, the embrace of transgression, and a growing indifference to truth — are now flashing across the American right as much as the left.
At the center of the discussion is a generation: the Zoomers. Jeremy and Rod dig into the rise of white identity politics and Christian nationalism among young men, the pull of Nick Fuentes and the Groypers, and Dreher’s unsettling report from Washington that a large share of the young men now working on the right have drifted toward radical, “tear it all down” politics. His core claim is provocative — that the dissident right hasn’t rediscovered conservatism at all, but has imported Marxism’s founding impulse, that the inheritance itself is the enemy, and rebranded it for a right-wing audience.
The conversation doesn’t flinch from the fracture inside the conservative coalition. Jeremy and Rod discuss Tucker Carlson’s turn, his platforming of Fuentes, and the end of Dreher’s friendship with him; Boreing’s blistering assessment of Candace Owens and her treatment of Charlie Kirk’s widow, Erika Kirk; and their shared concern about JD Vance — a man Dreher says he still hopes will one day be president, but who he fears may be making what he calls the “von Papen mistake,” the fatal 1930s miscalculation that a radical movement’s energy can be harnessed and controlled.
From there the two turn to faith and culture: the search for God among young men drawn to older, more liturgical Christianity; the pilgrimage to Chartres; the “vitalism” now competing with the gospel; and why Dreher believes a moralistic, therapeutic, feel-good evangelicalism is no match for the moment. They wrestle with classical liberalism as a “secular manifestation of Christianity,” whether the West can hold together without a living faith, and the lessons — and limits — of Orban’s project in Hungary.
The back half moves to technology and the soul. Jeremy and Rod debate artificial intelligence as a kind of “dark re-enchantment,” the fear that digital culture is neurologically reshaping a generation’s ability to perceive God, and Boreing’s counter that AI’s harms may simply be the front-loaded costs of every great technology. They make the case that freedom is only possible when it’s bounded by virtue, and consider where policy — on pornography, social media, and the protection of minors — is the right tool for the job.
It closes somewhere more personal: Dreher’s nostos, his journey home to Louisiana, the loss of his sister and father, the end of his marriage, Dante, and how he came to believe that the only real Ithaca is heaven. His advice to the young men who feel abandoned by their culture is direct — get offline, search for God, learn to suffer well, and refuse to give in, because “never again is now.”
Chapters:
0:00 Rod Dreher and the warning of “Weimar America”
1:18 Wokeness, soft totalitarianism, and the arrival of the “woke right”
6:00 Liberalism as secular Christianity — and the danger of its collapse
12:22 Chartres, young men returning to tradition, and “vitalism” vs. the gospel
16:51 The feckless church: evangelicalism, COVID, and the beauty deficit
36:01 The death of print, AI pastors, and the seduction of the fake
42:06 Hannah Arendt, atomization, and losing a shared reality
43:44 The DC trip, the Groypers, and the Weimar timeline
1:02:29 The right’s civil war: Tucker Carlson and the 2028 stakes
1:09:17 JD Vance, Candace Owens, and the silence over Erika Kirk
1:15:34 Tucker’s demons, spiritual warfare, and “deep, deep danger”
1:23:09 Antisemitism, Israel, and the markers of a Weimar society
1:28:26 AI as dark re-enchantment and a generation that can’t perceive God
1:44:10 Freedom, virtue, and the case for policy on porn and social media
1:52:52 Dreher’s nostos: divorce, Dante, and “never again is now”
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2 hr 12 min - The Navy Pilot Who Dodged Missiles — Then Got Stuck in Orbit | Ep 45 w/ Captain Butch Wilmore
Captain Barry "Butch" Wilmore has spent 464 days in space — 278 of them unexpected. When the Boeing Starliner he was flight-testing began losing thrusters on its approach to the International Space Station, a mission planned for roughly a week turned into a nine-and-a-half-month stay in orbit and a return to Earth aboard a SpaceX Dragon capsule. In this feature-length conversation, Jeremy Boreing sits down with the retired NASA astronaut and U.S. Navy test pilot to talk about fear, faith, family, and what it actually takes to keep your head when the machine you're strapped into starts to fail.
Wilmore's story runs from the hollers of Mount Juliet, Tennessee — where a mischievous Baptist kid was shaped by his parents, his coaches, and a biblical foundation — to the deck of an aircraft carrier, where he logged 663 landings (226 of them at night) and flew the A-7 and the F/A-18 Hornet in combat during the first Gulf War. He walks Jeremy through what it's like to dodge a missile at night with almost no depth perception, how a naval aviator learns to master terror, and why he insists that fear is an opponent, never an ally. He is one of only two people in history to fly five different spacecraft — the Space Shuttle, Soyuz, the ISS, Starliner, and Dragon — and the road there included a nine-and-a-half-year wait after the Columbia tragedy set his astronaut class back years.The heart of the episode is the Starliner mission. As commander on the spacecraft's first crewed flight, Wilmore watched four of his eight aft-firing thrusters drop offline — then a fifth — losing a full degree of control for the first time in the history of human spaceflight. He describes canceling the software that would have shut the failing thrusters down, flying manually toward the station, and knowing before he ever docked that he and fellow astronaut Sunny Williams would not be coming home on that ship.What makes this more than a space story is Wilmore's refusal to call himself "stranded." Drawing on the Apostle Paul's contentment in shipwreck and prison, he explains how he stayed at peace living out of a sleeping bag in a Japanese laboratory module, eating food other astronauts had set aside as trash, with no fixed date to come home. Jeremy and Butch go deep on the sovereignty of God, the difference between freedom and law, John Adams' warning that the Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people, and why the gospel — not raw human agency — sits at the center of it all.They also take on the American space program itself: why politics now sits upstream of engineering, how bringing Russia into the International Space Station shaped its 51.6-degree orbit and limited its usefulness for reaching deeper into the solar system, and why Wilmore has become a fierce advocate for keeping manual control in every crewed spacecraft.Finally, the conversation turns to a generation. Jeremy and Butch talk about Gen Z, the formative years COVID took from young people, and the case for hope over despair — the conviction, as Jeremy puts it, that you can step forward in faith and watch the ground appear beneath your feet. Wilmore closes on his Tennessee roots, the governor's race a residency statute took off the table, and where he believes the Lord may lead him next.This is a conversation about courage and precision, marriage and fidelity, patriotism and providence — and about a country Wilmore still calls the land of opportunity.Captain Butch Wilmore's new memoir, Stuck in Space: An Astronaut's Hope Through the Unexpected, is available now.Subscribe for full episodes of The Jeremy Boreing Show.
00:00 464 Days in Space, 278 Unexpected03:03 From Backwoods Tennessee to Orbit04:09 The Mischievous Kid Who Needed God07:30 The Coaches Who Molded a Man09:48 The Patriotic Pull That Changed Everything12:47 663 Carrier Landings, 226 at Night18:22 Mastering Fear When Missiles Lock On25:25 Dodging Missiles Over Iraq at Night34:06 Fidelity, Marriage, and 280 Days Away46:00 9,000 Applications, Columbia, and NASALearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 52 min - The Right Is at War With Itself | Weds LIVE Ep. 44
Wednesday LIVE with Nick Freitas, Jared Monroe, and John Strand.
What is a conservative? What defines the American right? In 2026 those questions no longer have an obvious answer — and the fight over it is tearing the Conservative Movement apart in real time.In this live panel, Jeremy Boreing sits down with three men who have each answered that question with their lives, to ask what conservatism is actually supposed to be — not what it's against, but what it's for. Because right now the movement is at war with itself over almost everything.The Tate brothers were arrested, and while most of the right saw justice being done, a loud corridor of the movement rushed to their defense. There's the JD Vance–Marco Rubio split, the fight over Iran, and — of all things — Christopher Nolan's new adaptation of The Odyssey, which the right fighting about savagely. Underneath every one of those fights is the same question: who gets to define this movement, and the country the movement claims it wants to conserve?In this episode: – What is a conservative? Propositional Americanism vs. the purity death spiral — and the real fight underneath the JD Vance / Marco Rubio foreign-policy noise. – "What is a man for?" The Tate arrest, the young men sold strength at no cost, and what the outrage machine and the Tate brand have in common. The Odyssey. How the oldest story in Western civilization became a casting-war loyalty test — and what that costs the movement that claims to defend it.GUESTS:Nick Freitas — former U.S. Army Special Forces weapons sergeant with two combat tours in Iraq, and a ten-year veteran of the Virginia House of Delegates who chose not to seek re-election.Jared Monroe — known for years as "Not Gay Jared" alongside Steven Crowder, now running his own independent media operation.John Strand — a former America's Frontline Doctors figure from Simone Gold's COVID-skeptic operation, author of Patriot Plea, and a Congressional candidate in Florida’s 19th district.This is a conversation about American conservatism, the MAGA coalition, Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, and what American conservatism becomes if it forgets what it was ever trying to conserve. Three men, three very different roads, one question.0:00 – Cold Open: Tate Brothers' Arrest, The Odyssey's Record Debut & Crisis on the Right5:49 – Reacting to Nolan's The Odyssey: Conservative Story, "Woke" Casting?11:22 – Ceding Cultural Ground: Why Conservatives Stopped Making Art19:28 – Parenting Through Pop Culture: Turning Media Into Teaching Moments26:48 – Nolan's Bold Choices & the "Want-to-Want-Tos" of Conservative Film30:36 – Candace Owens, the Kirk Assassination Conspiracies & the Cult of "Receipts"41:47 – COVID, the Groyper War & the Rise of Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes53:42 – The Founders, Human Nature & the Constitutional Order59:24 – Escaping the Internet: Real Community & the "Severance" Effect1:05:24 – Mass Immigration, Assimilation & the Great Replacement Debate1:11:05 – Nice Jesus vs. Angry Jesus: Christian Tribalism Online1:18:19 – Community, Comedy & Why Gen Z Is Returning to Movie Theaters1:23:23 – Faith, Family & the Jewish Model of Legacy1:28:32 – Great Man vs. Good Man: Redefining Masculine Legacy1:37:49 – Jeremy's Razors, Voting & Defining Conservatism in 2026Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 54 min - The Country That Jails You for a Facebook Post | Ep 43 w/ Andrew Gold
Is Britain still a free country? Jeremy Boreing sits down with Andrew Gold — journalist, former BBC documentary maker, and host of the Heretics podcast — for a wide-ranging conversation about what Gold sees as the unraveling of Britain, and why he believes Americans are watching a preview of their own future.
Gold argues the UK is facing a "multi-pronged attack on liberalism": a government growing more draconian, the rapid Islamification of major cities like Birmingham, and the collapse of the free-speech culture Britain once shared with the United States. Jeremy and Andrew open with proposed legislation that would force YouTube and other platforms to prioritize state-adjacent outlets like the BBC and Channel 4 over independent media — a move Gold calls "anti-social media" and warns could push Britain closer to North Korea and Russia than to America.From there the two trace nearly every fault line in modern British life. Gold tells the story of being pushed off camera at the BBC — informed, he says, that a white man could no longer host the documentaries he'd spent years researching. They examine why so many in the West embrace what some call "suicidal empathy," and Gold makes the case that it isn't empathy at all but narcissism and status-seeking, drawing on Will Storr's "The Status Game."The conversation turns to the grooming gang scandal and the scale of abuse alleged in Rupert Lowe's report, the decades-long institutional cover-up, whistleblower Maggie Oliver, and how Tommy Robinson became, in Gold's telling, a national villain treated as "worse than Hitler" for raising the alarm. They contrast the 31-month sentence handed to Lucy Connolly over a since-deleted Facebook post with far lighter treatment of other offenders — the "two-tier justice" many Britons now believe defines the country — against the backdrop of the Southport attack and the killer Axel Rudakubana.Jeremy and Andrew then take on democracy itself: whether voters can actually stop mass immigration when the outcomes they vote for keep getting overridden, from Brexit to California's Proposition 8. Gold explains David Goodhart's "anywhere versus somewhere" framework — the rootless elite who can live anywhere versus the rooted citizens who bear the cost of rapid change — and why cousin marriage, tribal voting blocs, and the welfare state make assimilation so difficult.Jeremy makes a provocative argument of his own: that mass migration is, in a sense, worse than colonialism — importing the least successful systems in the world into the most successful, rather than the reverse. The two debate the "creedal nation," whether America's founding proposition still binds newcomers, and what it means that so many arrivals are never actually asked to embrace the culture, the creed, or the country.Finally, they turn to faith and the monarchy: King Charles recasting himself as a defender of many faiths rather than the Christian faith, the singular dignity of Queen Elizabeth II, and whether Britain has forgotten that it is a Christian country. Gold ends on a fragile note of hope — Reform UK, Nigel Farage, Rupert Lowe, and Kemi Badenoch — and whether a fractured right can unite before 2029.An unflinching conversation about immigration, Islam, free speech, nationalism, and the survival of Western civilization — and a warning, from someone living inside it, about where America may be headed.Andrew Gold hosts the Heretics podcast. Subscribe for more long-form conversations from The Jeremy Boreing Show, and tell us in the comments: is Britain a warning America will heed, or ignore?0:00 Cold Open0:52 What's Happening in Britain?3:59 Free Speech: America vs Britain5:46 A Nation of Strangers8:28 The BBC Told Me a White Man Can't Host11:51 It's Not Empathy — It's Narcissism17:09 The Grooming Gang Scandal22:12 Tommy Robinson: "Worse Than Hitler"24:25 Lucy Connolly and Two-Tier Justice27:10 When Democracy Stops Working33:52 Anywhere People vs Somewhere People45:24 Is There a Way Out?52:45 Mass Migration vs Colonialism1:07:00 Why Islam Is Different1:23:24 The Monarchy, King Charles, and Hope for BritainLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 42 min - Candace Owens’ Empire of Lies Is Collapsing in Real Time | Weds LIVE Ep. 42
This week, prosecutors in Provo, Utah began laying out the case against Tyler Robinson, the man accused of assassinating Charlie Kirk — forensic evidence, surveillance footage, a confession note, and sworn testimony from the lead investigator. As the preliminary hearing opened, Candace Owens dismissed the proceeding as a "show trial," telling her audience the "real trial" would come later and casting herself as a lone truth-teller fighting demons on Charlie's behalf.
Jeremy Boreing breaks down why what Candace is doing is not just wrong but deliberately misleading–and evil. A preliminary hearing isn't a trial — it's a narrow legal procedure to determine whether a case is strong enough to proceed. Candace knows the difference. The question is why she's betting her audience doesn't.
The show walks through months of specific claims Candace has made — that Tyler Robinson was never on campus, that Charlie's microphone exploded rather than a shot being fired, that Erika Kirk, Charlie's own security team, Israel, or the federal government were somehow complicit — and measures each one against what has actually been entered into evidence: surveillance footage placing Robinson on campus four times the day of the shooting, a medical examiner's report confirming a single gunshot wound from a bolt-action rifle, DNA evidence on the recovered weapon, and a confession note and text messages already part of the court record.
Joining Jeremy for this conversation:
Mark Meckler — co-founder of the Tea Party Patriots, President of Convention of States Action, and CEO of JTN Networks (parent company of Just the News, Human Events, and The Post Millennial). Meckler brings two decades of experience watching grassroots conservative movements built, captured, and weaponized.
Gary Melton (Paramount Tactical) — a former U.S. Army Special Forces Weapons Sergeant and Sniper Team Leader with four combat deployments, who has spent nine months systematically fact-checking Candace Owens' specific claims against the assassination evidence, one by one.
Will Chamberlain — a Georgetown Law-trained attorney, former publisher of Human Events, Senior Counsel at the Article III Project, and VP for External Affairs at the Edmund Burke Foundation, who explains the legal distinction between a preliminary hearing and a trial — and the real defamation exposure Candace now faces.
The panel also addresses new research from the Network Contagion Research Institute suggesting a measurable link between Candace's public claims naming Erika Kirk as a suspect and subsequent spikes in death threats against her — and what it means when a media figure builds what researchers describe as a "permission structure" for targeted harassment.
This is a conversation about what happens when institutional truth-finding — slow, procedural, occasionally unglamorous — collides with an information ecosystem that rewards speed, certainty, and grievance over verification. It's about the difference between naming demons and becoming one. And it's about what accountability, both legal and moral, actually looks like for the people left in the wake of a tragedy that some have chosen to monetize.
0:00 – Candace Owens and the Charlie Kirk Preliminary Hearing
14:17 – Debunking a Year of Conspiracy Theories
26:39 – Why the Courtroom Is Exposing the Internet's Lies
33:02 – Who Candace Owens Really Is
1:12:33 – Gnosticism, Cults, and the 30-06 Ballistics Debate
1:26:23 – How to Actually Fight Back Online
1:49:36 – Institutions, Isolationism, and the Future of the Right
1:55:53 – Jeremy Buys Back Jeremy's Razors
2:05:13 – Closing Thoughts: Agency and Building the Future
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2 hr 12 min - The "Heritage American" Movement Is Wrong — Here's Why | Ep. 41
The Supreme Court just ruled in Trump v. Barbara that children born on U.S. soil to parents here illegally or temporarily are citizens at birth — upholding the standard set in 1898's Wong Kim Ark and striking down the 2025 executive order that tried to change it. The vote split the Court, Clarence Thomas filed a 91-page dissent, and Justice Alito warned the ruling could seriously affect the country's future. But the legal question the Court just settled is smaller than the philosophical one still tearing up the internet, the right, and the country underneath it: what actually makes someone American?
This episode traces that question from the messy realities of the founding — a Naturalization Act that limited citizenship to "free white persons," a Catholic signer of the Declaration despite the founders' deep suspicion of Rome, a Jewish immigrant named Haym Salomon who personally financed Washington's army at Yorktown — through the waves of Irish, German, and Italian immigration that reshaped the country each time without breaking it. It examines the current backlash on the left, using Minnesota's Somali immigrant population and Dearborn, Michigan's Islamic majority as case studies in citizenship without assimilation. And it takes seriously the newer challenge from the right: the rise of "Heritage American" rhetoric, the viral "How American Are You?" ancestry chart, and dissident-right figures like Charles Cornish-Dale (Raw Egg Nationalist), C. Jay Engel, and others arguing that bloodline — not belief — is the true measure of belonging.
The episode argues neither side has it right. A nation can't survive as a pure abstraction with no people actually living it out — but it also can't be reduced to bloodline, especially in a country where, as the episode notes, almost nobody has an actual unbroken, undiluted lineage to point to. Drawing on Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, G.K. Chesterton's observation that America is "the only nation in the world founded on a creed," and biblical models of covenant and assimilation — Ruth binding herself to Naomi's people, Paul's image of the wild branch grafted into a new root, Isaiah's terms for the foreigner who joins himself to the covenant — the episode makes the case that American identity has always been a covenant entered into, not a coupon handed out or a bloodline inherited.
It also covers Justice Thomas's dissent in detail, including his argument that the 14th Amendment rightly secured citizenship for freedmen because they had genuine belonging, not just presence — and closes with a look at the Trump administration's historic denaturalization campaign, which aims to file more than 20 times the historical annual average of denaturalization cases this year alone.
If you've watched the birthright citizenship debate, the Heritage American discourse, or the fight over what "America First" actually means and felt like both sides were missing something, this episode is the corrective.
00:00 Do You Have to Be White to Be American?03:47 The Supreme Court Just Ruled on Citizenship05:15 Every Nation Decides Who Counts as Its Own07:31 America Was Never Built by One Kind of Person10:37 The Jew Who Financed the Revolution13:14 20 Million Immigrants, One Nation16:07 Citizenship: A Covenant or a Coupon?18:43 The Minnesota and Dearborn Warning Signs24:23 The Right's Plan to Deport 120 Million35:00 So What Is an American?Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
45 min - Birthright Citizenship, the Declaration, and Fighting for American Exceptionalism | Weds LIVE Ep. 40
America turns 250 this year, and the arguments about what this country actually is — and whether it's worth keeping — are coming from every direction at once. Jeremy opens with the Supreme Court's ruling on birthright citizenship and the Fourteenth Amendment, then traces it back to a deeper question: what did the founders actually risk when they signed the Declaration of Independence, and what does America owe them 250 years later?
Jeremy is joined by a panel built for exactly this moment:Eric Metaxas — NYT bestselling author of Revolution: The Birth of the Greatest Nation in the History of the World — makes the case that the American founding was the only genuine revolution in an age of so-called revolutions, and walks through what the moral character of men like Washington and Adams actually cost them.John West — VP of the Discovery Institute and author of Endowed by Our Creator — defends the Declaration of Independence against attacks from both the 1619 Project left and the dissident right's rejection of America as a "creedal nation," and unpacks what "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God" meant to the founders.Rick Green — America's Constitution Coach and founder of Patriot Academy — brings the civic-action lane: why self-government requires virtue, why virtue requires biblical formation, and what ordinary Americans can actually do to keep the republic.The conversation covers American exceptionalism, the Constitution under attack, the Supreme Court's birthright citizenship ruling and immigration, the growing rejection of the American founding from both the radical left and corners of the dissident right — including the fight over the term "Judeo-Christian" and whether America is a creed or a bloodline — and closes on where real hope for the next 250 years comes from.If you care about the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, American exceptionalism, and the fight over what this country actually is, this is the conversation for July 4th, 2026.0:00 Monologue: What the Birthright Citizenship Ruling Really Asks5:39 Meet the Panel: Metaxas, West & Green on the Founding
8:25 Is the American Revolution the Only One That Worked?
10:37 Chesterton's Insight: America as a Creed
15:26 Are We a Bloodline, a Place, or an Idea?
18:48 Is "It's Not a Value Judgment" a Cop-Out?
30:50 Naming the "Emerging Right"
36:12 Culture, Self-Government & the Immigration Debate
43:57 UFC, Patriot Academy & Reaching Gen Z
50:10 God-Given Rights vs. Government-Granted Rights
55:54 Is "Christian Nation" a Loaded Term?
1:00:04 Defining Christian Nationalism and "Globohomo"
1:03:26 Jefferson's "Alter or Abolish" Explained
1:10:09 Survey Data: Reasons Not to Despair
1:16:34 The Hard Work Ahead — and the Danger of Utopian Despair
1:26:10 Defending the Founders Without Excusing Slavery
1:36:45 Why Particular Men and Places Still Matter
1:44:03 Real Heroes, Caesar Rodney & Washington's Troops
1:54:12 Closing: Go See the Declaration Before It Fades
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2 hr 5 min - A Former Muslim Exposes Tucker's Lie About Islam | Ep 39 w/ Danny Burmawi
Why Tucker Carlson is wrong about Islam and Israel — a former Muslim breaks down the false narratives reshaping the dissident right. Danny Burmawi, CEO of the Ideological Defense Institute and author of 'Islam, Israel and the West,' explains the 14-century history of Islamic conquest, the dhimmi system, the red-green alliance, Mamdani, and why anti-Semitism and Islamophobia are not the same.
If you want long-form conversations that take ideas seriously, subscribe — it's the best way to make sure you don't miss an episode.Jeremy Boreing sits down with Burmawi for a wide-ranging conversation on Islam vs. the West, Tucker Carlson's guests on Islam, the conversion that took him from devout Muslim to Christian, what really happens to apostates under Islamic law, and whether the Gulf states are truly more tolerant of Christians than Israel.00:00 - Is Islam a Better Friend Than Israel?01:31 - How Tucker's Guests Lie About Islam02:56 - The 14 Centuries of Conquest05:24 - The Blood Tax and the Stolen Churches07:21 - Why a Cartoon Made Him Devout11:28 - The Day He Read the Quran for Real13:24 - What Happens When You Leave Islam01:54:27 - Why It's 'Islamophobia,' Not Muslimophobia01:58:08 - How the Left and Islam Became Allies02:13:08 - Tucker, Qatar, and the Christian LieLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
1 hr 56 min - Neo-Nazism Is Entering Evangelical Spaces — and Who's Fighting Back | Ep. 38
Last week, a neo-Nazi publishing house called Antelope Hill set up a vendor booth at a Christian conference in Ogden, Utah — and sold out. The conference was called "The War for Normal." It was organized by pastor and media figure Joel Webbon's New Christendom Press and hosted at Refuge Church by pastors Brian Sauvé and Eric Conn. Among the materials displayed and sold: The Essential Speeches of Adolf Hitler, an SS commander memoir titled Burning Souls, books originally published by the SS Main Office, handouts recommending The Turner Diaries — the neo-Nazi novel that inspired the Oklahoma City bombing — alongside swastika jewelry and literature promoting Cosmotheism, a pagan Nazi religion that places the Aryan race at the top of the natural order.
When the story broke, pastor Sauvé said on the record he had "no problem" with Antelope Hill's publications. That same evening, pastor Conn posted a video to his X account featuring a Sieg Heil, Hitler Youth imagery, the founder of the American Nazi Party, and an SS officer confirming Adolf Hitler was "one hundred percent" his hero. Joel Webbon posted that he would "never" criticize the conference organizers — and then, days later, posted about Jews: "They killed the Prophets. They killed the Lord Jesus. Paul calls them 'the enemies of all mankind.'"
The same week, Tucker Carlson published a 100-minute interview with theologian JD Hall — with Webbon in the studio — titled "The Corrupting Lie of Christian Zionism." In the episode, Hall argued that Christian Zionism is a 19th-century invention rooted in John Nelson Darby's dispensationalism and propagated by the Scofield Reference Bible, which he describes as effectively a Zionist operation. Hall calls Israel "a desert war cult," claims modern Judaism is a post-Temple invention with no continuity with the religion of the Old Testament, and characterizes certain Jewish prayers as prayers for the destruction of Christians.
But Hall didn't stop at reframing the Jewish relationship. He went further — reframing Islam as a friend to Christianity. Hall claimed that Muslims "love Jesus." He revised the documented history of the Ottoman Empire, characterizing Muslim rulers as having been "very kind to Christians." And he argued that the reason Christians and Muslims don't get along is because of — in his words — "Jewish talking points that you see on the television and the news."
These two events — Ogden and Tucker's studio — are not separate stories. They are the visible surface of a years-long ideological shift: from Israel is our ally to Jews are our enemies — and now, Muslims are our friends. The theological arguments Hall makes have ancient roots. The problem is where the same men making those arguments also stand.
Doug Wilson — one of the most prominent figures in Christian nationalism — asked the right question after Ogden: why did Antelope Hill think there was a healthy market for their books at a Christian conference? Tonight, we answer that question.
Joining Jeremy for this live panel:
JON HARRIS (@jonharris1989) — Host of Conversations That Matter and author of Against the Waves (2025), Christianity and Social Justice (2020), and Social Justice Goes to Church (2021). MDiv from Southeastern Seminary. Ordained pastor. Has spent a decade tracking ideological infiltration of evangelical and Reformed spaces — first from the progressive left, now from the ethnonationalist right. Tonight he traces the intellectual genealogy of this movement and names the institutional failures that allowed it to take root.
WILL SPENCER (@willspencer) — Stanford-educated. Grew up Jewish. Baptized 2020. Member of Reformation Presbyterian Church in Mesa, Arizona. Host of The Will Spencer Podcast and author of the most important document on this subject: "The Dangerous Secret Your Young Men Are Keeping: Neo-Nazi Thought Has Entered the Church" (Christ Over All, June 2025). In early 2024, Spencer nearly got pulled into the Stone Choir orbit — and came back to write the definitive account of how the radicalization pipeline works on real Christian men in real time.
ETHAN HANSON — Making his first-ever public appearance under his real name. For years, he has been the anonymous investigative X account @not_our_guy / Hitler Hated Christ. His posts were cited as primary sources by both the Christian Post and The Bulwark in their coverage of the Refuge Church / Antelope Hill scandal. He identified the SS officer in Conn's video. He documented the Antelope Hill booth materials. He captured the Antelope Hill representative on livestream: "We're just selling Third Reich literature at a Christian conference is all." Tonight, for the first time, he's here as himself.
Also discussed:
Stone Choir podcast and host Cory Mahler, who has publicly stated Adolf Hitler is in Paradise, called the Holocaust "literally incredible," and — in a televised interview — did not rule out the possible need for genocide. Stone Choir claims 50,000–100,000 listeners per episode.
The Antioch Declaration (November 2024) — signed by Wilson, White, Boot, Durbin, and Sandlin — affirming the Holocaust and condemning antisemitism and blood-and-soil nationalism.
SBC and OPC condemnations of ethnonationalism, June 2026.
The URCNA Synod Calgary debate on kinism and antisemitism.
The closing question: what does a pastor say from the pulpit on Sunday to immunize his young men against this pipeline?
00:00 Neo-Nazis at a Christian Conference
04:34 Meet the Guests
07:32 Defining Christian Nationalism
09:39 The Neo-Nazi Pipeline Into Christianity
15:27 How Online Movements Get Hijacked
17:33 Is America a Proposition Nation?
23:20 Why Jews Are the Target
38:31 What's Driving the Pipeline
40:34 COVID, Conspiracies & Anti-Semitism
51:10 The Theology Behind Jew-Hatred
57:27 America Is Not Weimar
01:09:06 Evangelicalism & Why Young Men Are Leaving
01:21:06 Re-Enchantment & What Young Men Want
01:27:22 Cultural vs. Biblical Christianity
01:35:19 The Gospel & Racial Identity
01:44:59 Church, Community & Real Solutions
01:50:52 Fatherlessness & the Crisis of Authority
02:04:10 The Real Christian Response
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2 hr 10 min - JD Vance is Wrong About Aliens | Ep. 37
The Trump administration has now released three tranches of declassified UAP files — 294 documents in five weeks. The Pentagon website hosting the files has received over 1.7 billion hits.
Among the files is military sensor footage of objects demonstrating capabilities no known aircraft can replicate. The President calls it evidence of extraterrestrial life. His Vice President has a different theory: he thinks UFOs are actually demons. Steven Spielberg, on the other hand, says his new film about government alien cover-ups isn't science fiction.
Everybody has an answer. Almost nobody is asking the right question.
The right question isn't what the phenomena are. It's why we see what we see — why every age in human history has looked at unexplained lights in the sky and found confirmation of whatever it already believed. Angels in the ancient world. Demons in the medieval world. Secret weapons in World War II. Extraterrestrials in the Space Age. The phenomena didn't change. The cultural lens did.
Jeremy argues that both dominant explanations — the alien hypothesis and the demonic hypothesis — are wrong, and wrong in exactly the same way: both strip human beings of their agency, their genius, and their God-given centrality in the story. One calls the powers benevolent. The other calls them malevolent. But in both cases, we are not the authors of our own history. That's not a Christian position. It's not a conservative one. And it's not true.
Jeremy gets into:
— Why the extraterrestrial hypothesis collapses under the very science that seems to support it, and what the actual UAP files most likely show
— How our cultural operating system — built by 80 years of science fiction cinema — shapes what we see before we've processed what we're looking at
— Why Tucker Carlson's demonic interpretation of UAP phenomena isn't drawn from Scripture — and what the Bible actually says about how spiritual forces operate
— The reverse-engineering lie at the heart of Disclosure Day, and why attributing human technological achievement to alien or demonic sources is an insult to every scientist, engineer, and builder in history
— What chronological snobbery is, why every age thinks it finally has the right answers, and why ours is no different
— The biblical mandate for human agency, stewardship, and dominion — and why "someone else is running the world" has always been the oldest escape from responsibility
0:03 — The Government Releases Its UFO Files
2:21 — Aliens or Demons? The Two Competing Interpretations
4:11 — A Brief History of Unexplained Sky Phenomena
6:10 — 1947 and the Birth of Modern UFO Culture
7:34 — The Cultural Operating System
9:11 — Scientific Naturalism and the Alien Imagination
12:07 — Reviewing Disclosure Day: Spielberg's New Film
27:56 — Both Views Are Fundamentally Anti-Human
28:50 — Demons Didn't Split the Atom
32:17 — Ancient Aliens and the Insult to Human Ingenuity
34:38 — Occam's Razor and the Limits of Speculation
36:30 — The Anthropocentric Framework
38:22 — Human Agency, Conspiracy Thinking, and the Gnostic Temptation
41:05 — Conclusion: The World Is Ours
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