On The Babylon Bee Interview Show, Kyle and Ethan talk to Jonathan Pageau about making Christian carvings, monsters, and the breakdown of identity in our culture. Jonathan carves Eastern Orthodox images and other traditional images. He has been appearing on many podcasts, including one on Jordan Peterson's podcast. Jonathan has a knack for discovering the hidden meaning behind things. Kyle and Ethan delve in deep on why we need symbolism and how the Bee is making the world turn right side up again.

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Kyle and Ethan first find out what informs Jonathan's art and why he can make images of Christ and other Eastern Orthodox figures. Jonathan tells us how it was to be with Jordan Peterson in church. Ethan discovers the hidden meaning behind his love for monsters and the grotesque. Jonathan gives his criticism of our culture that is losing the idea of identity.

In the Subscriber Portion, Kyle and Ethan find out what Target's logo means, along with a few others. Jonathan tells all about what is the biggest misuse of symbolism in churches in our current culture. He also gives us what he terms as the upside down hierarchy with The Babylon Bee as the hope to help turn things right side up again. As always Kyle and Ethan finish the interview with the ever great 10 questions.