The KC Underground Podcast

We've got a new nugget in disciple-making this week. This week, we address the topic of timing. How do you know when to introduce prayer? How do you know when to invite people into a discovery Bible Study? We've all got questions on timing because we all have expectations about how fast or slow a group should go. That's what we begin to address with this disciple-making nugget.   

Cory and Brian take some time this week to respond to the last two weeks of interviews with Alan Hirsch. While Alan's words have deeply shaped our movement, we recognize that sometimes interviews like the last two weeks might feel more theoretical than practical for the everyday leader. This is what we want to address this week. How do the seven marks of movement impact the ordinary disciple-maker? 

Cory interviews Alan Hirsch, one of our heroes in the missional movement. Alan Hirsch is one of the founders of Movement Leaders Collective, as well as founding the Forge Mission Training Network and 5QCollective. Known for his innovative approach to mission and thought-leadership, Alan is highly sought after movement strategist for leaders, churches and denominations across the Western world. He is the author of numerous award winning books including The Forgotten Ways, 5Q, ReJesus, The Shaping of Things to Come, and The Permanent Revolution. In this episode, we focus more on the 7 Marks of Movement. 

Cory interviews Alan Hirsch, one of our heroes in the missional movement. Alan Hirsch is one of the founders of Movement Leaders Collective, as well as founding the Forge Mission Training Network and 5QCollective. Known for his innovative approach to mission and thought-leadership, Alan is highly sought after movement strategist for leaders, churches and denominations across the Western world. He is the author of numerous award winning books including The Forgotten Ways, 5Q, ReJesus, The Shaping of Things to Come, and The Permanent Revolution. The first episode focuses more on the mDNA that you can explore more in The Forgotten ways. 

"If you don't pay attention to structure, it will pay attention to you." - Alan Hirsch 

In this episode, we get to hang out again with James Mays, one of the key leaders of Share the Hope, a network committed to disciple-making within the formerly incarcerated community. This episode is all about the next nugget in disciple-making: We need to keep it simple. Complex things don't reproduce fast or well. We'll come at this topic from a couple of angles and explore how James contextualizes keeping it simple within the Share the Hope network. 

"Grow like a see at God's speed." - James Mays

In this episode, Brian interviews Michelle Wegner on the topic of Soul Care in response to the idea that Disciple-making is messy. In the previous episode we highlighted four areas where disciple-making gets tough and four areas where we have made significant mistakes. We were in part saying, "What do we do when it gets hard, or when we make a mistake?" The answer is simple, but not easy. The answer is Soul Care. Michelle unpacks some of her journey and passion around helping others care for their own soul. 

In this episode, Cory and Brian walk through the next disciple-making nugget: Disciple-making is messy. We highlight four points about the “harder” parts and four “mistakes” we’ve made as we have attempted to follow Jesus’s commission to “go make disciples.” We usually talk about effective strategies and tools that help us as we make disciples in the everyday stuff of life. The truth is, it’s never easy, and we’re not Jesus, so we’re going to make mistakes along the way. We’ll dive deeper in future episodes, but for now, we want to begin to address the more sobering realities of giving our lives away to others.

Cory and Brian offer a new nugget in disciple-making: To be effective, we must discern our context. The question here is, "To whom have you been sent." In this episode we'll talk about a few different ways that you can begin thinking about your missional context.

Throughout 2023, the first prayer guide of each month is being written by Michael "Sully" Sullivan. Periodically, we'll pull Sully in for a podcast to set up that prayer guide. This week, Brian and Sully will talk through Psalm 71 and the importance of Holy Week in the rhythm of the church, how the Psalms can frame up Holy Week, and then how we can enter into the prayer guide together this week. In the West, we've often been so wrapped up in Palm Sunday, maybe Good Friday, and Easter Sunday, that we miss the beauty of Jesus's actions through the other days. Further, we rarely if ever explore how the Old Testament prepares us for the story. We hope this episode will send you on a journey of exploration in the Pslams and the surrounding narrative of Jesus's suffering, death, burial, and Resurrection. 

Below, the titles for each day of the week are links to posts about that day, and I have included lines from each Psalm that complement the events of the day:Holy Week: The Final Days of Jesus   Palm Sunday (April 2): Jesus Rides into Jerusalem Psalm 118:1-2, 19-29 (20: This is the gate of the LORD through which the righteous may enter.) Monday (April 3): Jesus Cleanses the TemplePsalm 36:5-11 (8: They feast on the abundance of Your house)   *Tuesday (April 4): Jesus Teaches in the TemplePsalm 71:1-14 (4: Deliver me, my God, from hand of wicked)  Wednesday (April 5): The Sanhedrin Plot to Kill Jesus Psalm 70 (1: Hasten, O God, to save me; come quickly, LORD, to help me.)  Maundy Thursday (April 6): Jesus Participates in Passover w/ DisciplesPsalm 116:1-2, 12-19 (13-15: I will lift up the cup of salvation and call on the name of the LORD. I will fulfill my vows to the LORD in the presence of all His people. Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His faithful servants.) Good Friday (April 7): Jesus Dies on the Cross for the Life of the WorldPsalm 22 (1, 16-19, 24: My God, my God, why have You forsaken me? ... They pierce my hands and my feet. All my bones are on display; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment. But You, LORD, do not be far from me ... For He has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; He has not hidden His face from Him but has listened to His cry for help.)  *Holy Saturday (April 8): Jesus Confront Hades & Harrows Hell As We WaitPsalm 31:1-4, 15-16 (1: In you, LORD, I have taken refuge; let me never be put to shame; deliver me in Your righteousness.

Cory and Brian discuss how we need to form teams to be more effective in disciple-making. We see "going in teams" in Scripture and we see "going in teams" in global disciple-making movements. We need to embrace this paradigm here and now as well.

"Don't go alone. Always go in teams."

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