Will Lou and Alex Wong are joined by ESPN’s Dave McMenamin to chat about Fred VanVleet’s post-game rant towards referee Ben Taylor and player-ref relationships around the league, before diving into the Lakers’ ceiling in the West and Dave’s origin story as an NBA.com writer. Later, Dan Woike of the LA Times drops by to chat about sitting next to Will and Alex during the 2019 Finals, what he remembers about the Clippers’ pursuit of Kawhi Leonard, and Darvin Ham’s first season at the helm of the Lakers (29:06).

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