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A Louisiana detective hears that Owenia “DeeDee” Evans threatened the woman dating Norman Lillie, then receives inconclusive blood evidence and a fingerprint report excluding several suspects' fingerprints. A confidential informant says three people went to Janice Lillie's Gretna office after an eviction notice. This episode examines Cheryl Boudoin's recorded words, the disputed knife, the limits of the 1994 laboratory work and the January 1995 warrants for Evans, Matthew Thomas and Karl Lewis.

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“Out of a courtesy.” Those words appear in a response from the attorney representing the Gretna Police Department—and Kyle and Beth Smith have plenty to say about them.

In this unapologetic ExCLUEsive discussion following Season 4, Episode 5 of The Louisiana Lie, The Last Clue digs deeper into the Janice Ashcraft Lillie murder investigation in Gretna, Louisiana. Hear exact passages from correspondence signed by Leonard L. Levenson of Leonard L. Levenson & Associates, followed by our blunt reactions to the language used when responding to questions about the case.

Then we turn the scrutiny back on the evidence. Owenia “DeeDee” Evans’s evolving accounts. A failed knife search followed by a handoff. An observed scar with an unverified explanation. A photo lineup that produced no identification. Which details have independent support—and which still depend on someone’s story?

With callbacks to S4 Episodes 1–5 and spoiler-free hints about Episodes 6–8, we challenge the assumptions, debate what would change our minds, and keep Janice at the center.

This episode includes host opinions and attributed allegations; unresolved questions are not findings of guilt.

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A witness says two men confessed. Weeks later, she says she watched Janice Lillie being stabbed. In Episode 5 of The Louisiana Lie, Kyle and Beth Smith follow the renewed 1994 investigation into the Gretna, Louisiana, murder of a mother of five. Owenia “DeeDee” Evans leads detectives to a search site, then hands over a butcher knife. A polygraph, an unresolved photographic lineup and questions about stored blood evidence complicate the account. What could investigators independently verify—and why did prosecutors still say the case was not ready for court? Listen to The Last Clue wherever you podcast.

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Thirteen latent fingerprints. An unidentified witness across the street. Conflicting accounts of Janice Lillie’s final morning—and a search warrant facing a deadline. In Episode 4 of The Louisiana Lie, Beth and Kyle Smith follow the original investigation into the 1991 murder of Janice Lillie in Gretna, Louisiana. Her daughter Denise Marsh’s recollections clarify the office layout and raise careful questions about memory. Owenia “DeeDee” Evans supplies allegations about Karl Lewis and Matthew Thomas, then describes an encounter with Janice’s husband that other accounts dispute. Meanwhile, detectives request blood comparisons and seek to examine Norman Lillie’s truck. What did the evidence establish before the investigation changed hands? The Last Clue is available wherever you podcast.

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Six eviction notices. A missing rent receipt. Conflicting accounts of who visited Janice Lillie’s office before she was murdered.

In Season 4, Episode 3 of The Louisiana Lie, hosts Beth and Kyle Smith follow the original investigation into the 1991 murder of Janice Lillie in Gretna, Louisiana. A timestamped Home Depot receipt, Matthew Thomas’s account of sending his nephew Leroy Perry to pay rent, and an alleged threat send detectives in different directions. Then Owenia “DeeDee” Evans brings police a troubling claim about former tenant Karl Lewis—but where did her information come from?

Recollections from Janice’s daughter, Denise Marsh, help listeners picture the rental office and understand the friendships, family ties and everyday generosity behind the case files. As this decades-old Louisiana murder investigation unfolds, The Last Clue examines what the original records establish, what witnesses reported, and which questions still demand answers.

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What does the evidence reveal about the 1991 murder of Janice Lillie in Gretna, Louisiana? In Episode 2 of The Louisiana Lie, hosts Beth and Kyle Smith examine the original crime-scene reports and autopsy findings surrounding the fatal stabbing of the 41-year-old mother of five. An open purse, unmatched fingerprints, conflicting memories of a bathroom door, and a rent receipt bearing the wrong date leave investigators with urgent questions about Janice’s final morning.

The Last Clue follows the evidence through this decades-old Louisiana murder investigation, distinguishing documented findings from witness accounts and theories. How did objects in the office move? Who visited Janice before her death? And what can the surviving records actually establish?

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On November 12, 1991, 41-year-old mother and school volunteer Janice Lillie walked into an ordinary day of work across the river from New Orleans. By noon, her friend was searching the office at 521 Hamilton Street while a television played loudly. The first hours of this Gretna murder investigation reveal a busy rental office, a line of visitors, and an unsettling question about the last person Janice spoke to. The Last Clue begins an eight-part examination of the original police and medical records, the eventual manslaughter conviction, and the questions her daughter still asks.

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Four cases we've investigated. Four stories that didn't end when our original episodes did.

In this special The Last Clue True Crime Update, Kyle and Beth revisit four cases from our back catalog and examine the latest developments surrounding Christa Pike, Gerald Snider, Ryan "RJ" Davis and Jesse Mack Butler.

With Christa Pike's Tennessee execution scheduled for September 30, 2026, we examine the final days surrounding the death-row case and the continuing legal and clemency efforts.

We return to Duncan, Oklahoma, and the still-unsolved 1984 murder of Gerald Snider, a cold case we investigated during our two-part Season 3 series. More than four decades later, questions remain about the investigation, surviving evidence and whether modern forensic technology could provide new answers.

We also revisit the disappearance of 12-year-old Ryan "RJ" Davis near Chickasha, Oklahoma. RJ was found alive, but the investigation that followed resulted in serious criminal allegations and an expanding court case.

Finally, we return to Jesse Mack Butler and the controversial Stillwater, Oklahoma case we've followed since 2025, including his Youthful Offender status, the dismissal of his Oklahoma criminal case and questions surrounding what could happen next, including a new civil filing.

If you're new to these stories, we'll tell you exactly where to find our original reporting in The Last Clue back catalog.

And then — Season 4 begins.

On Sunday, October 4 at 7 PM CT, The Last Clue heads into the Deep South for a closed case that has left one family searching for answers for decades.

A victim whose story isn't finished.

A family determined to find the truth.

Multiple suspects.

Questions about what investigators knew — and when they knew it.

And now, after The Last Clue began asking questions and requesting records, an attorney has responded on behalf of the police department at the center of the case.

What happened all those years ago?

What is buried inside the investigative record?

And why is this case suddenly moving again?

We're not revealing everything yet.

Season 4 of The Last Clue premieres Sunday, October 4 at 7 PM Central.

A new season. A decades-old mystery. And a family still waiting for answers.

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The September 2026 episode of The Last Clue examines the upcoming execution of Christa Gail Pike, who is scheduled to be put to death in Tennessee on September 30, 2026, for the 1995 murder of 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer. We trace the case from the brutal killing and Pike’s confession through her conviction, decades of appeals, clemency efforts, and the latest legal challenges surrounding Tennessee’s execution protocol.

Then, The Last Clue returns to Oklahoma for a new update in the civil wrongful-death case involving Jozsef “Joe” Pal. We break down the latest Cleveland County court orders involving the City of Norman and Sideline Bar and Grill and explain in plain English what the judge’s rulings mean — and what they do not mean — for Joe’s family and the lawsuit.

Finally, we revisit the 1984 murder of Gerald F. Snider in Duncan, Oklahoma. More than four decades later, important questions remain unanswered, and The Last Clue has received no response from the Duncan Police Department to requests for case updates and records.

Three cases. Three very different stages of the justice system. One question remains at the heart of this episode: when government agencies hold enormous power, how much explanation does the public deserve?

Follow The Last Clue for true-crime reporting, cold-case updates, court developments, and stories that continue long after the headlines disappear.

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In Part Two of The Last Clue's investigation into the 1984 murder of Gerald Snider in Duncan, Oklahoma, we follow the disturbing leads, allegations, and alleged confessions that emerged after Gerald was found shot to death inside his running Jeep.

More than two years after the murder, investigators received an explosive tip involving Joey Petty and a person known as "Pineapple." Then came witness Vickie Peddycoart, who told police about Gerald's widow, Robbie Snider, her relationship with Paul Bryant, stolen satellite dishes at a Duncan body shop, and an alleged confession that Paul Bryant had killed Gerald.

But there is a major problem: despite the allegations, theories, and investigative leads, no one was prosecuted for Gerald Snider's murder.

The Medical Examiner documented a devastating shotgun wound to Gerald's neck, along with a separate incised wound to the neck. His Jeep was still running. The driver's door was open. Nothing obvious appeared to have been taken.

Was Gerald killed by someone he knew? Was someone hired to kill him? Did investigators miss the connection they needed?

In this episode, we examine the evidence, separate documented facts from allegations, and ask the questions that still surround one of Oklahoma's enduring cold cases.

Who killed Gerald Snider? And who knows the truth?

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