What happens when some of the most idealistic techno-optimists come to believe that superintelligence poses a threat to humanity's survival? Today, the best case for the worst case scenario. We sit down with Nate Soares and Connor Leahy and ask them to make their case for why we need to stop ASI, before it’s too late.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Connor Leahy, Natasha Vita-More, Max More, Keach Hagey, Nate Soares

LINKS:

Nate Soares’s book (with Eliezer Yudkowsky) If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies

Connor Leahy’s AI safety startup Conjecture

Natasha Vita-More’s books

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

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The Last Invention artwork by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob Boll⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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In the strange months after ChatGPT’s release, the world made contact with something new. A tech CEO begged to be regulated, a chatbot seemed to fall in love, and the godfathers of AI became frightened by the implications of what they’d spent their lives building.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Keach Hagey, Kevin Roose, Yoshua Bengio, Geoffrey Hinton

LINKS:

Keach Hagey’s book The Optimist

Sam Altman testifies at Senate artificial intelligence hearing, May 16, 2023

Sam Altman testifies at Senate hearing on artificial intelligence, May 8, 2025

Kevin Roose’s article on Sydney

Kevin’s podcast: Hard Fork

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

The Last Invention artwork by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob Boll⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Is the only way to stop a bad guy with an AGI… a good guy with an AGI? In a twist of technological irony, the very people who warned most loudly about the existential dangers of artificial superintelligence—Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Dario Amodei among them—became the ones racing to build it first. Each believed they alone could create it safely before their competitors unleashed something dangerous. This episode traces how their shared fear of an “AI dictatorship” ignited a breakneck competition that ultimately led to the release of ChatGPT.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Karen Hao, Keach Hagey, Jasmine Sun, Yoshua Bengio, Kevin Roose, Connor Leahy

LINKS:

Karen Hao’s book “Empire of AI”

Keach Hagey’s book The Optimist

Obama’s Wired Interview

Ross Douthat’s Theil interview and article

Joe Rogan Experience 1169 - Elon Musk

Hardfork Podcast

Alpha Go Documentary

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

The Last Invention artwork by ⁠⁠⁠Jacob Boll⁠⁠⁠

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What if the path to a true thinking machine was found not just in a lab… but in a game? For decades, AI’s greatest triumphs came from games: checkers, chess, Jeopardy. But no matter how many trophies it took from humans, it still couldn’t think. In this episode, we follow the contrarian scientists who refused to give up on a radical idea, one that would ultimately change how machines learn. But their breakthrough came with a cost: incredible performance, at the expense of understanding how it actually works.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Yoshua Bengio, Liv Boeree, Geoffrey Hinton, Karen Hao, Keach Hagey, Jasmine Sun

LINKS:

⁠Karen Hao’s book: Empire of AI

Keach Hagey's book: The Optimist

Liv Boeree's podcast: Win Win

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

The Last Invention artwork by ⁠⁠Jacob Boll⁠⁠

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In 1951, Alan Turing predicted machines might one day surpass human intelligence and 'take control.' He created a test to alert us when we were getting close. But seventy years of science fiction later, the real threat feels like just another movie plot.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Connor Leahy, Max Tegmark, Robin Hanson, Karen Hao, Nick Bostrom, Sam Harris, and Justin Murphy

LINKS:

Karen Hao’s book “Empire of AI”

Nick Bostrom's book "Superintelligence"

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠Scott Devendorf⁠, ⁠Ben Lanz⁠, ⁠Cobey Bienert⁠, and Matthew Boll

The Last Invention artwork by ⁠Jacob Boll⁠

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A tip alleging a Silicon Valley conspiracy leads to a much bigger story: the race to build artificial general intelligence — within the next few years — and the factions vying to accelerate it, to stop it, or to prepare for its arrival.

FEATURING:

Mike Brock, Kevin Roose, Geoffrey Hinton, Connor Leahy, William MacAskill, Liv Boeree, Sam Harris, and Yoshua Bengio

LINKS:

Sam Harris 2016 TED Talk, Can We Build AI Without Losing Control Over It

Nick Bostrom's book Superintelligence

Sam Harris' Making Sense podcast

Center for AI Safety

Hard Fork podcast

Geoffrey Hinton’s resignation coverage:  Why the “godfather of AI” left Google to warn about existential risk

William MacAskill's book What We Owe the Future

Eliezer Yudkowsky's book If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies

Liv Boeree's podcast: Win Win

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by Scott Devendorf, Ben Lanz, Cobey Bienert, and Matthew Boll

The Last Invention artwork by Jacob Boll

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For over seventy years, technologists have dreamed of building a true “thinking machine.” An artificial intelligence so powerful it would reshape every aspect of human life. Would it unlock unimaginable abundance? Or bring about our destruction?

Today, many of the people closest to the latest A.I. breakthroughs believe that moment has arrived. Some are walking away from their jobs to sound the alarm. Others argue it can’t be stopped, and the only choice is to unite as a society and try to get ready. Still others dismiss the fears, convinced we’re entering a thrilling new chapter of human history.

Who’s right? Why are some of the most informed minds so sharply divided? And how, exactly, did we get here?

Episode one drops soon. Stay tuned.