In this episode, we dive into the views of the people who think the AGI race is being oversold, misunderstood, or misframed. As you’ll hear, we break them down into three distinct camps: “AI Is Grift” (a tech-industry con), “Wrong Path” (LLMs can’t reach AGI without new ideas), and “AI as Normal Technology” (powerful, but adoption will be slow and institution-bound). Through interviews with Ed Zitron, Gary Marcus, and Princeton’s Arvind Narayanan, the episode argues that the real fight isn’t just about capability—it’s about incentives, architecture, and how human systems actually change.

FEATURING:

Ed Zitron, Gary Marcus, Arvind Narayanan

LINKS:

⁠Ed Zitron’s website/podcast

Ed Zitron’s newsletter “Where’s Your Ed At”

Gary Marcus’s most recent book, “Taming Silicon Valley”

Gary Marcus’s Substack

Arvind Narayanan’s most recent book, “AI Snake Oil”

Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor’s paper “AI As Normal Technology”

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Matthew Boll, Seth Andrews, Ethan Mannello, and Carmen Hilbert

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

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Today, Andy interviews Steve Bannon and his War Room tech editor, Joe Allen. They make the populist right-wing case for breaking up Big Tech, forcing transparency on frontier AI labs, and blocking “AI amnesty” efforts that would preempt state oversight. Bannon frames AI as a species-level inflection point driven by what he calls “broligarch” elites pushing “techno-feudalism,” warning that the public is underwriting opaque labs while losing jobs, leverage and eventually autonomy.

LINKS:

War Room Podcast

Dark Aeon by Joe Allen

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Ezra Klein – New York Times opinion columnist and an influential voice on the American left – joins us at a hinge moment in the A.I. revolution. As artificial intelligence accelerates, Klein examines what’s at stake politically, socially, and morally: the role that government should play in shaping this technology, the disruptions he believes matter most, and how to think clearly when the landscape is shifting so rapidly.

LINKS:

Ezra Klein’s book Abundance

The Ezra Klein Show

This Changes Everything

CREDITS:

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Meet the accelerationists: a rising movement that believes expediting AI development is not only inevitable but morally necessary – humanity’s best chance at transcending its limits. What happens when the world’s most powerful technologists treat AI progress as a duty rather than a danger?

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Olivier Oullier, Guido de Croon, Alex Williams, Reid Hoffman, Guillaume Verdon/“Beff Jezos”

LINKS:

Beff Jezos/Guillaume Verdon’s Twitter

David Sinclair’s website

Olivier Oullier’s Company

Alex Williamss is a contributor here

Reid Hoffman’s Personal Website

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner.

Music for this episode was composed by Scott Devendorf, Ben Lanz, Cobey Bienert, and Matthew Boll

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A decade ago, the leading minds in AI gathered to make sure this technology would benefit everyone. Today, those hopes are colliding with the reality of an AI arms race. Today, game theorist Liv Boeree and philosopher William MacAskill lay out what they see as the “narrow path” between a future of limitless potential and one of irreversible loss.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Max Tegmark, Nick Bostrom, Liv Boeree, William MacAskill

LINKS:

Max Tegmark’s book “Life 3.0, Being Human in the Age of Artificial Intelligence”

Nick Bostrom's book "Superintelligence"

Liv Boeree’s Website

Liv Boeree’s Podcast

William MacAskill’s book “What We Owe the Future”

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

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What happens when some of the most idealistic techno-optimists come to believe that superintelligence poses a threat to humanity's survival? Today, the best case for the worst case scenario. We sit down with Nate Soares and Connor Leahy and ask them to make their case for why we need to stop ASI, before it’s too late.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Connor Leahy, Natasha Vita-More, Max More, Keach Hagey, Nate Soares

LINKS:

Nate Soares’s book (with Eliezer Yudkowsky) If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies

Connor Leahy’s AI safety startup Conjecture

Natasha Vita-More’s books

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

The Last Invention artwork by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jacob Boll⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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In the strange months after ChatGPT’s release, the world made contact with something new. A tech CEO begged to be regulated, a chatbot seemed to fall in love, and the godfathers of AI became frightened by the implications of what they’d spent their lives building.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Keach Hagey, Kevin Roose, Yoshua Bengio, Geoffrey Hinton

LINKS:

Keach Hagey’s book The Optimist

Sam Altman testifies at Senate artificial intelligence hearing, May 16, 2023

Sam Altman testifies at Senate hearing on artificial intelligence, May 8, 2025

Kevin Roose’s article on Sydney

Kevin’s podcast: Hard Fork

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

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Is the only way to stop a bad guy with an AGI… a good guy with an AGI? In a twist of technological irony, the very people who warned most loudly about the existential dangers of artificial superintelligence—Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Dario Amodei among them—became the ones racing to build it first. Each believed they alone could create it safely before their competitors unleashed something dangerous. This episode traces how their shared fear of an “AI dictatorship” ignited a breakneck competition that ultimately led to the release of ChatGPT.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Karen Hao, Keach Hagey, Jasmine Sun, Yoshua Bengio, Kevin Roose, Connor Leahy

LINKS:

Karen Hao’s book “Empire of AI”

Keach Hagey’s book The Optimist

Obama’s Wired Interview

Ross Douthat’s Theil interview and article

Joe Rogan Experience 1169 - Elon Musk

Hardfork Podcast

Alpha Go Documentary

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

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What if the path to a true thinking machine was found not just in a lab… but in a game? For decades, AI’s greatest triumphs came from games: checkers, chess, Jeopardy. But no matter how many trophies it took from humans, it still couldn’t think. In this episode, we follow the contrarian scientists who refused to give up on a radical idea, one that would ultimately change how machines learn. But their breakthrough came with a cost: incredible performance, at the expense of understanding how it actually works.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Yoshua Bengio, Liv Boeree, Geoffrey Hinton, Karen Hao, Keach Hagey, Jasmine Sun

LINKS:

⁠Karen Hao’s book: Empire of AI

Keach Hagey's book: The Optimist

Liv Boeree's podcast: Win Win

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠⁠Scott Devendorf⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Ben Lanz⁠⁠, ⁠⁠Cobey Bienert⁠⁠, and Matthew Boll

The Last Invention artwork by ⁠⁠Jacob Boll⁠⁠

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In 1951, Alan Turing predicted machines might one day surpass human intelligence and 'take control.' He created a test to alert us when we were getting close. But seventy years of science fiction later, the real threat feels like just another movie plot.

THIS EPISODE FEATURES:

Connor Leahy, Max Tegmark, Robin Hanson, Karen Hao, Nick Bostrom, Sam Harris, and Justin Murphy

LINKS:

Karen Hao’s book “Empire of AI”

Nick Bostrom's book "Superintelligence"

CREDITS:

This episode of The Last Invention was reported and produced by Andy Mills, Gregory Warner, Andrew Parsons, Megan Phelps-Roper, Matthew Boll, Seth Temple Andrews, and Ethan Mannello. It is hosted by Gregory Warner

Music for this episode was composed by ⁠Scott Devendorf⁠, ⁠Ben Lanz⁠, ⁠Cobey Bienert⁠, and Matthew Boll

The Last Invention artwork by ⁠Jacob Boll⁠

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