Sean: I'm getting a lot of stuff that I already want to unpack from that. Let's rewind a little bit and go back to Morgan Stanley. You mentioned that you were in the tech world, you did programming, which is very interesting that you started that way because I'm a tech guy. What were some life lessons or leadership lessons that you use now that you got out of working with Morgan Stanley?

Yewande: Lots of stuff. So I like that question. I think it's always interesting because sometimes we assume and I loved your intro where you said something like, Oh, if you don't have a team and you're leading yourself because people often forget, right? It's like, Oh, I'm not a leader because I don't lead a team.

It's like, No, you're a leader because you lead every day, whether it's whether you have a team or not. You're leading other people, right? In some way. And often the first person you start with is yourself. So sometimes also say if you can't lead yourself, then you can't lead other people.

Like it's the same thing. It's just different, different audiences. Um, one of the things I learned a lot at Morgan Stanley. I was very fortunate with my team and the people who supported me. But two things immediately come to mind. One kind of stems from what I just said there around leadership is not about having a team because while I was at Morgan Stanley, I never actually technically had a team.

Towards the latter part of my career, there was a point where I had one person reporting to me, but the way that our department worked was that there were a lot of different departments that had to work together, especially in my role, because I wasn't the expert in anything. I wasn't an expert in legal, and I wasn't an expert in sales, but my hedge fund clients and the CEOs who I worked with expected that I would understand what they needed. I would come back to the firm and then work with and influence people too.

To get what? To create something and then deliver it to them. So I often had to work with people who were a lot more senior than me. 

So one of the biggest leadership lessons for me was really. Learning and understanding how to influence people irrespective of seniority and do it in a way that's not where either. I don't feel doubt in myself or I don't feel like I'm being combative, but bringing people along. 

And a lot of the lessons that I think about my leadership and my style now really stem from that. It's about the partnership with others and leading them towards the goal and the destination that we both agree on.

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Welcome to the Leadership Stack podcast! In today's episode, we'll be joined by the one and only Ninong Ry, a chef, influencer, and content creator, who will share his thoughts on why being jobless can be an advantage.

Joined by Sean Si, aka Mr. CEO at 22, tune in as he sits down with Ninong Ry to discuss his journey from being a chef to being a content creator, and the challenges he faced along the way. 

In this episode, Ninong Ry will also share the importance of having a clear vision for your content. Whether you're an aspiring content creator or simply looking for inspiration for your business growth and success, listen up and enjoy!

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Sean: Now that you opened this topic where we are moving towards a more emotional world today, what do you think drives this being this more emotional population? I mean, we are, you know, especially here in the Philippines where like 90% of the population are Facebook users.

Sean: And if there's a voting contest in the Philippines, can you be sure that everyone's voting? So what do you think drives this movement towards being more emotional as a global population? Is it social media? Is it because we can, you know, let out on social media or can be honest and we can put out our opinion there?

Michael: Yeah, there's I'll give you two answers, Sean. So the first comes from numerology, astrology, you know, kind of Hindu beliefs, right at its core, which is Earth moved in 2012 from what's referred to as the age of Pisces into the Age of Aquarius

Michael: And so this is a very energetic, a very quantum-level transition that Earth is going through. So if anybody listening, or watching wants to explore, just type in Age of Aquarius into your search engine and learn about the shifts and the changes that are happening on Earth as a result, that'll be very helpful.

Michael: Number two, in a more business sense, is that when the lockdowns and the stay-at-home orders started in March of 2020 around the world from COVID, 2020 and 2021 were a time of astronomical change for humanity because everybody's habits and routines and rituals were changed almost overnight. Right. Because they weren't able to go to an office, their kids didn't go to school. So families. Right. Were forced to homeschool kids.

Michael: So this year, 2022, we started to see people integrate those emotions and they've become better at being okay with the change in their way. So what we're seeing now and we're going to continue to see into next year is a much more proactive assertion of people living life the way that they want to.

Michael: So you're going to see fewer big companies and you're going to see smaller companies and more entrepreneurship and more solopreneurs. You're going to see a big shift to that because people learned in 2020 and 2021 that they could do it right, because before they only thought that they could work for someone else and be safe.

Michael: But they had two years of transformation and change and high emotion like, Oh, I can do this for myself. I can be like Sean or I can be like Michael. Yeah, right. And now they want to, yeah. So you're going to see a big transition through the remainder of this year and into 2023 where people are much more proactive at going after what they want and standing in their truth, standing in their authenticity because they want to live a life 100% under their terms, on their terms.

Michael: So Astrologically Earth moved from the age of Pisces into the Age of Aquarius, but in 2020, 2021, as a result of stay-at-home orders and the pandemic, people learned through emotion that they could change. And when they learned that, they started to realize, I don't like this part of my life. I want it to be this way. I want to change this part of my life to be this way. So they're changing gyms. They're changing employers as some people are changing spouses, right? They're moving to different places. So there are a lot of things that are changing because people now believe that they can.

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Sean: How do you adjust now that you know that? Okay, how she understands things and how I understand things and how she and I communicate are very, very different. She is an empath. She understands how you feel before you even say anything. Right? Just by reading your body language as you tell me straight to my face and I can't even feel anything. Right. So how do you adjust or how do you improve if that is the case?

Michael: So for those empathetic people who are already emotional, so all of the emotion on earth is causing them to be even more emotional. And then even for the objective, task-oriented folks like Sean or myself, even the emotions are coming to the surface for us unexpectedly.

Michael: And so it's partially this process of finding a middle ground with our partners or work colleagues, but it's also self-discovery for us because Jordan Peterson in his, you know, blogs and in his podcasts and all of these things, he talks about how that in order for us to be really. Formidable or for people to look up to us or for people to celebrate us.

Michael: We need to be able to do a wide variety of things, but we need to be able to control how it is that we behave in certain situations. So what he's saying is, learn about yourself in a variety of ways and then apply that in a very controlled manner so that you become very powerful, that you become very formidable, that people really look up to you in a meaningful way. So part of it, Sean, is just being able to have the experience that doesn't make us weak. It actually makes us, over time, stronger.

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Sean: Now, I'm wondering, Michael, with, um, let's, let's shift a little bit too business and hiring. So everyone says that EQ is so important, it's more important than IQ. There are a lot of articles that write about that, right? When you hire someone you want to hire for a higher EQ than a high IQ. Why is it more important than IQ?

Sean: Why do you think that they say that? And should we if they score lower in the EQ tests that are available out there, should we just throw in the towel and say, oh, it's a low EQ kind of person, we should not hire this person?

Michael: Yeah, it's possible. So you're right. So Daniel Goldman, back in the late 1980s, and early 1990s, did a bunch of research, and published kind of the first work about emotional intelligence globally. And in his research, it was that 20% of performance or success comes from IQ, and 80% comes from EQ. And so his book was really, really good to kind of dive into those things.

Michael: And then there was a great book called Emotional Intelligence 2.0 by Bradbury and Greaves that gave a little bit more specificity to this. So I think that when we're going through the hiring process, yes, we want to be mindful of someone's DISC profile or the things that motivate them, maybe their core values, definitely levels of emotional intelligence.

Michael: So when I'm thinking about it, there are certain things that can be taught, there are certain things that are innate, like a DISC profile or motivations are pretty much the way that we're born. We're kind of born with them. We navigate them throughout life, but our core values are that our level of emotional intelligence can be taught to us. It's learned.

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Join our host, Sean Si, as he sits down with Joel Pedro, the Chief Adventure Officer of Overland Kings, for an inspiring discussion on how to lead and manage people effectively.

Listen up as Joel Pedro discusses the origins of OKCampout, as well as his thoughts on the growth of overlanding in the Philippines. From hiring the right people to fostering trust and open communication, Joel Pedro also shares his tips on how to conduct a proper background check on potential hires and how to give employees a clear career vision.

Tune in to this insightful episode from the Leadership Stack, and get a sneak peek into the exciting world of overlanding.

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Sean: I mean, it should be that important, right? For a guy like you who is a business owner and a speaker and an author to choose this topic. How important is EQ for you today?

Michael: Thanks for asking, Sean. It's super important. I've been a coach for 11 years and over those 11 years there's been a lot of iterations of the way that I uplift and serve people. But as time has passed and progressed, what I've realized is that the thing that helps an individual ascend and become their most authentic version of themselves the fastest is their level of EQ or emotional intelligence.

Michael: So for me, it started as a child when I really turned back the clock and thought about my childhood and the folks that I was raised around. I didn't have a coach and I didn't have a mentor, and it wasn't always the most emotionally intelligent environment. And so for me, I promised myself that as I aged and got older or was in business in any way, shape, or form, I would not only do my best to become emotionally intelligent myself, but then I would also pay it forward and try to teach others the same things because I know how hard it was in my childhood to not have that. But I've also seen the success that high EQ can bring inside businesses.

Michael: Because success inside of businesses is often attributed to someone's or the team's emotional intelligence. So I think there are a lot of reasons why I focus on it and why it's so important to my business, but I just know the power that it can bring to making people live really happy and meaningful lives.

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Sean: Because I want to, I have a question about that, and then I'm going to rewind a little bit and ask you a second question. Both intertwined. How do you find these people that you have a good gut feeling about they're going, to be honest with you? They're coachable. They're the kind of people you want in your team. And how did your employers or the businesses you've worked with? Right. All of those businesses that got sold that were flipped went over to do IPO, how did they find you or how did you find them as well?

Evan: Yeah, I used to hear a lot of talk about networking when I was in my career, and I always felt it was a really artificial thing. You turn up to a show or a trade show and you exchange cards and your network, right? And I guess that's the beginning of something. But what ultimately leads there is value. Do I see something of value in this individual? Do I feel like they're genuine? Do I feel like they're authentic? Do they in some way, shape, or form, offer something to me and also give to get I don't like it's always taken but I don't know if someone reaches out. Can you offer assistance? Do you ask for something? I'll help you because I want to see people better than they are. There are many different ways that that feeling can happen, but it takes time. There's definitely a time element where you can kind of spread your wings and connect yourself out there. Now there are some great platforms to do that. LinkedIn is a great way. You meet someone. You and I will now connect. Sean, We'll be on LinkedIn and I'll post stuff and you'll ever need somebody you can reach out to. Like if I can try and help you, I will help you. Not because there's something in it for me, but some. Well, not some. Many people helped me get to where I am today. And I believe that there's a pay-it-forward approach. Right. So what goes around comes around and I think people pick up on that. So when you work with great people and you have that experience where you move, they're interested. Hey, Evan, I see you've moved over there, like, what's going on? And then you have a chat and that's, you know, I want to work with great people. So you tend to follow people around because they're very they're their philosophy, their behaviors are very similar. And that goes back to my earlier part about which companies you choose. So I think there's a lot of that. So there's the networking that's putting yourself out there. There's adding value. But the most important and this has taken me a little bit of a while to understand is that you've got to be authentic, right? Like forcing yourself on someone to network. I mean, okay, that's one thing. But people want to work with people they can trust, they believe in. And again, there's that degree of just authenticity and that takes a bit of time to establish. But if you can do that, then there is a world out there that can help you. Right. But you've got to put yourself out there. I think that's really important.

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Sean: To continue off with your answers. So I love what you said about innovation. You mentioned the word innovation. And I wonder, with all the advancements in cybersecurity, again, we both agree that it is a hypercompetitive industry. Everyone must get into it. I want to get into it, to be honest. Right. How do you continue to innovate? Where do you get your ideas and how do you say, Oh, that's a good idea and that's not a good idea? How do you judge?

Evan: Yeah, so. So I can only go on the business side of what I see from the products because there are some super smart people that develop these products and solutions, and I take my hat off to them because, you know, we're dealing with founders like Tomer Weingarten and the original founders of Sentinel One that had a vision ten years ago to build a product and solution that today is now starting to gain attraction. So you've got to have a. I think I think it's the mindset. How do you be a founder? So I certainly think very strong technical capability, very strong vision of the things that are impacting customers and then to stay the course to deliver those. And we've got very smart people constantly looking at the innovation, especially on the threat side, because unless your solution can solve some aspect of dealing with the cyber problem and that's fundamentally helping either prevent or detect or respond to some form of cyber threat, then it's really not going to get traction. So we've got really strong technical individuals, visionary people that are on that side. What I look at is really what's happening in the market today at the ground level.

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Accompany Mr. CEO at 22, Sean Si in this segment as he tackles how an entrepreneur like him seizes opportunities, why connections are important for success, can leaders be negative as well, should good leaders be good followers, and what kind of leaders do we need now and in the future. Listen up and enjoy!

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