Lights, camera, showtime! It's time to talk about Taylor Swift's newest album: 'The Life of a Showgirl.' Nora and Nathan talk about their initial reactions to the record and why this is an album you should just have fun with (1:00), how Swift's reunion with Max Martin and Shellback worked out (31:33), how Swift continues to be powered by conflict on songs like "Father Figure" and "Actually Romantic" (1:07:41), and much, much more.

Hosts: Nora Princiotti and Nathan Hubbard

Producer: Kaya McMullen

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