David talks about how to make a poem, deeper, more meaningful, seeing it in 3D, how he begins a poem, and two prompts for writing a poem. David Baker grew up in Macon and Jefferson City, Missouri, and has lived in central Ohio for many years where he was poetry editor for the Kenyon Review. He received his BSA and MA degrees from the University of Central Missouri and his PhD from the University of Utah, and has taught at colleges, universities, and writing workshops across the country and abroad. Baker is the author of thirteen books of poetry and six books of prose about poetry and poetics; his latest poetry collection is Whale Fall, published by W. W. Norton. Maryfrances Wagner, Missouri's sixth poet laureate, conducts the interview.