Kathryn and Tug take TLF on the road to Oakland, California and host their first interview with Stevie Stacionis and Josiah Baldivino of Bay Grape Bottle Shop and Mama Oakland Restaurant. Stevie and Josiah discuss how they entered the wine business, fell in love with the East Bay, and run a bottle shop (as well as a restaurant), all while raising their three-year-old son. The two couples drink spritzers made with a low-alcohol "wine" from Martha Stoumen and Julia Sherman (Salad For President): Martha Stoumen Wines 'Jus Jus' Sparkling Verjus, California 2019. If you're interested in wine, the business of wine, or working in the small business world, this episode is a must-listen.
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