Jamal and Khalid are joined by the legendary grassroots basketball pioneers, Sonny Vaccaro and Gary Charles. The four talk about Vaccaro's work at Nike that led to his depiction in the movie "Air," his background, how/why he ventured into grassroots basketball, ABCD Camp stories, the rise of the sneaker companies (sneaker wars), NIL, Ed O'Bannon, LeBron James, Kobe Bryant and much, much more.