This isn't therapy... it's an episode about complex experience of grief and loss. Jake and Simon read two stories from the Lovely Listener. They add some nuance to the stages of grief model (DABDA!) and chat through different metaphors for grief - boulders, balls, and jars, oh my! Also, grab your spelunking gear because we're going down that rabbit hole: what evolutionary function does grief serve? Get ready for one silly and serious episode.

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