In this episode, we talk with Jared M. Smith, Principal Engineer @ Logistically and host of the Elm Town podcast

Quick note about this episode: is was recorded back in April 2025. 

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Also, our topics and conversation are all structured around the idea of a "lean coffee" discussion. We know https://www.leancoffeetable.com/

Our music was made specifically for The Mental Side of Programming by Lynx Kinetic. 

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What's this? Programmers talking about how to do the work without making ourselves miserable. 

Our first guest is Kelly Wilkerson. Our conversation ranges from creating & maintaining a "brag file" to how to reframe situations for more intellectual curiosity. Kelly is whip-smart and a thorough delight.

Find out more about what Decipher Media offers at https://deciphertools.com/

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Thank you, I appreciate you checking out the podcast. 

Coming in March, a podcast about the mindset and mental aspect of creating software.