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Episode 200 – Are we any wiser?

Two hundred episodes in, Andy and Roger are older, slightly more injured, and not obviously wiser. Roger opens proceedings with a mysteriously sprained hip and an aggressive encounter with a physiotherapist, while Andy recounts an equally painful experience with a GP, an administrative form, a urine sample, and a doctor who warns him that AI can hallucinate while apparently failing to follow perfectly straightforward instructions.

From there, the pair mark episode 200 by revisiting some of the biggest themes from the podcast’s back catalogue and asking whether their views have changed. They return to racism and white privilege, the rise and retreat of woke culture, pronouns, acknowledgements of country, Me Too and the workplace culture wars. They also look back at Australia’s Voice referendum, what its failure says about political campaigning and identity, and their continuing frustrations with the ABC. Trump and Israel-Palestine are saved for part two, proving that even after 200 episodes they still haven’t learned how to keep things brief.

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Episode 199 – Artificial thought

In this episode, Andy and Roger ask a fairly modern question: if ChatGPT is writing your messages, planning your holidays and settling your arguments, at what point are you no longer doing much of the thinking yourself? Prompted by a listener who worries that outsourcing everyday mental work might be making him slightly dumber, they debate whether AI is simply another useful tool—or a very convenient crutch. Roger also discovers that Andy has been filtering some of their WhatsApp exchanges through AI, which goes about as well as you’d expect.

The conversation moves through authorship, confidence, communication and whether polished AI-generated language still feels like it came from a real person. Andy and Roger then put AI through a series of practical tests: planning holidays, diagnosing medical problems, helping children learn, giving relationship advice, reviewing contracts, picking stocks, fixing broken appliances, writing university assignments and researching major purchases. They finish on the harder question of whether some things—like wedding vows or a parent’s eulogy—matter precisely because you have to do the work yourself.

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Episode 198 – Enshittified

Things aren’t what they used to be. Or perhaps Andy and Roger are just getting older.

In this episode, Andy and Roger ask whether everyday life really is getting shittier, starting with the faded glory of Pancakes on the Rocks and the uncomfortable possibility that nostalgia has been doing some heavy lifting. From theme parks and childhood memories, they move on to the internet, where social media, advertising, algorithms, regulation and relentless commercialisation have turned what once felt like a place of discovery into something closer to a giant online shopping centre.

The decline continues through streaming services, corporate life, workplace bureaucracy and the expectation of being permanently online. They also look at consumer technology and the disappearing excitement of new gadgets, the transformation of eBay from online auction adventure to another e-commerce platform, and why international travel can feel more expensive, crowded and commercialised than it once did. Along the way: Disneyland, robot vacuum cleaners, the Mona Lisa, corporate risk culture, flying cars and Roger’s decades-long pursuit of the perfect sausage and gravy.

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Episode 197 – India

Roger went to India for work and returned with an expanded cultural perspective, several questions about infrastructure, and a stomach that had formally resigned.

In this episode, Andy and Roger unpack Roger’s first visit to India, beginning with the country’s extraordinary cultural, linguistic and culinary diversity. Roger reflects on Bangalore’s enormous technology industry, the scale of its engineering workforce and the stark contrast between polished corporate campuses and the conditions immediately outside them.

The conversation covers India’s wealth and poverty, overcrowding, sanitation, rubbish, public infrastructure and the tension between experiencing a place honestly and romanticising its hardships. Andy and Roger also discuss kinship-based societies, the continuing influence of caste, arranged marriages and how densely populated countries such as India and Japan manage public life very differently.

Naturally, much of the episode is devoted to food. Roger recounts navigating unfamiliar curries, questionable water, an uncooperative digestive system and the risks of street food, before comparing Indian cuisine in India with the familiar butter chicken, vindaloo and papadums served in Australian restaurants. There are also cows on the road—despite assurances to the contrary.

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Episode 196 – Protest vote

Is voting for One Nation a rational protest vote, or the political equivalent of sending an angry email and accidentally hitting “reply all”? Andy and Roger respond to a listener who’s fed up with the major parties and considering voting for Pauline Hanson for the first time.

They discuss political identity, compulsory voting, why the Liberal Party is struggling to inspire loyalty, and whether minor parties like One Nation and the Greens serve a useful purpose by forcing issues onto the political agenda. The question is whether a protest vote can send a message without also endorsing the people who might end up wielding the power.

The conversation turns to Pauline Hanson’s growing political appeal, One Nation’s prospects at the next election and Gina Rinehart’s support for Hanson. Andy and Roger debate whether billionaire backing matters to ordinary voters, what might be motivating Rinehart, and whether One Nation’s current momentum represents a lasting political realignment or simply a particularly large protest vote waiting to happen.

Finally, they review Pauline Hanson’s Super Progressive movie: a feature-length political cartoon with few apparent guardrails. There are some genuinely funny moments, some political commentary, and quite a lot that would make an awkward choice for family movie night. Could watching it actually change the mind of someone considering voting One Nation?

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Episode 195 – Wonder drugs

Roger is back in Brisbane, the weather is terrible, and after briefly contemplating the bleakness of bachelor apartment living, Andy and Roger turn their attention to the latest supposed miracle of modern medicine: GLP-1 drugs such as Ozempic, Wegovy and Mounjaro.

They explore how these drugs are changing the conversation around obesity, willpower and the constant background hum of “food noise”. If a drug can dramatically reduce hunger and cravings, does that challenge the idea that losing weight is simply a matter of discipline? And if GLP-1s can influence our desire for food—and potentially other rewards—what happens when medicine starts changing not just our bodies, but our behaviour?

The discussion broadens to the potential impact on restaurants, alcohol, fast food and a society built around eating and drinking, as well as the inequality created when effective treatments are available to those who can afford them. Andy and Roger also debate whether using weight-loss drugs is “cheating”, whether governments should subsidise them, and whether scepticism about a medical shortcut carries its own risks. Ultimately, they ask whether GLP-1s are merely another pharmaceutical tool—or the beginning of a future where we increasingly medicate our way around the inconvenient parts of being human.

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Episode 194 – Trump card

Nothing says sporting integrity quite like the leader of the free world phoning FIFA about a red card.

In this episode, Andy and Roger discuss Australia’s temporary transformation into a nation of football experts whenever the World Cup rolls around. They turn to Donald Trump’s intervention after a US player was suspended, debating whether asking FIFA to overturn the decision was shameless political interference, strong leadership or simply a case of “don’t ask, don’t get”.

The conversation explores FIFA’s reputation, questionable refereeing decisions and whether sport can remain fair when powerful outsiders start leaning on the rule-makers. Andy and Roger also clash over Trump’s negotiating style, the appeal of having a “thug at the table”, and whether political outcomes are shaped more by forceful personalities or the officials and strategy operating behind them.

They finish with World Cup predictions, hopes of England bringing it home and the possibility of Nigel Farage facing the formidable electoral machinery of Count Binface.

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Episode 193 – Monoculture

Pauline Hanson says Australia should be “monocultural”. Predictably, everyone loses their minds—but what does that actually mean?

In this episode, Andy and Roger unpack the difference between multiculturalism and a shared Australian identity, asking whether those ideas are really in conflict or whether much of the debate comes down to semantics. They explore immigration, assimilation, language, national values, and why discussions about culture so often become debates about race instead.

The conversation ranges from public barbecues and iceberg lettuce sandwiches to Brexit, Japan, Singapore and the changing face of Australian suburbs. Along the way, Andy argues for the most charitable interpretation of Pauline Hanson’s comments, while Roger questions whether the rhetoric itself undermines the very integration it claims to promote. They also discuss the role of English, shared civic values, religious differences, and why immigration remains one of Australia's most emotionally charged political issues.

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Episode 192 – Karl Stefanovic

In this episode, Andy and Roger take on the curious case of Karl Stefanovic, Tommy Robinson, and whether cancel culture is still alive and well in 2026. Andy opens by mourning the apparent end of Karl's media career before the pair unpack his departure from Channel Nine and the controversy surrounding his independent podcast.

They debate whether Karl’s interview with Tommy Robinson was genuinely beyond the pale or simply another example of a long-form podcast allowing guests to tell their stories without being subjected to a courtroom-style interrogation. Along the way, they compare Karl’s approach to Joe Rogan, discuss platforming controversial figures, and explore the tension between journalistic responsibility, freedom of expression and personal accountability for political outcomes.

The conversation also touches on Tommy Robinson’s reputation, the role of social media echo chambers, gender divides in online reactions, and whether audiences are capable of making up their own minds when exposed to contentious ideas. As always, Andy and Roger manage to disagree while remaining oddly civil about it.

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Episode 191 – Cloudy reflections

In this episode, Andy and Roger discover that nothing captures the state of American politics quite like a mysteriously green reflecting pool outside the White House. From there, things only become more normal.

The conversation takes in Donald Trump’s latest foreign policy backflip, the prospect of UFC fights on the White House lawn, and whether politics would be improved by settling succession battles inside a cage. Andy and Roger debate whether MMA belongs at the people’s house, ponder hypothetical match-ups involving JD Vance, Marco Rubio, Kamala Harris and AOC, and wonder if America has finally confused entertainment with government altogether.

Back home, they discuss Pauline Hanson’s appearance at the National Press Club, the growing appeal of One Nation’s media strategy, and whether Australia’s political system is really vulnerable to a populist insurgency. There is also time for an unexpected detour into Carl Sandilands’ future career prospects, the demise of McDonald’s Angus burgers, an hour-long fast food wait that tests Andy’s patience, and the economics of ordering $700 worth of nuggets through a drive-through.

To finish, Andy recommends the low-budget horror film Obsession, while Roger suggests checking out the latest UFC main event and argues that watching two blokes punch each other for ten minutes is still preferable to reading a page-and-a-half diplomatic agreement.

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