Three times Nobel Peace Prize nominated peace activist Kathy Kelly and anti war veteran and author Danny Sjursen discuss Afghanistan, what the war was about, what the war was not about, why Biden's statements on the terrorist "threats" in other countries & on the Kabul blast were troubling. And they debunk the disingenuous media narrative about women's rights and human rights.

Kathy Kelly, a peace activist and author, made over two dozen trips to Afghanistan from 2010 – 2019, living with Afghan Peace Volunteers in a working class neighborhood in Kabul. She and her companions in various peace team delegations believe that where you stand determines what you see. Kelly lived with families in Baghdad throughout the 2003 Shock and Awe invasion and during the first weeks of the U.S. occupation. Kelly is now campaigning for an international treaty to ban weaponized drones.

Danny Sjursen is an anti-war veteran; the director of @mediaeisenhower (EMN); Senior Fellow at @CIPolicy; contributing editor at @Antiwarcom. He was recently selected as the 2019 Lannan Foundation cultural freedom fellow. He is the author of a memoir and critical analysis of the Iraq War, Ghostriders of Baghdad: Soldiers, Civilians, and the Myth of the Surge; Patriotic Dissent: America in the Age of Endless War; and A True History of the United States: Indigenous Genocide, Racialized Slavery, Hyper-Capitalism, Militarist Imperialism and Other Overlooked Aspects of American Exceptionalism He is a member of several activist organizations, including Veterans for Peace and About Face: Veterans against the War. Follow him on Twitter at @SkepticalVet.