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What if the biggest marketing problem in your organization isn't the marketing team at all?

In this episode, Michael Hartmann sits down with Charral Izhiman, Head of Marketing at Bayobab and author of The Marketing Movement, for a conversation about why so many organizations still misunderstand what marketing is supposed to do, and what it takes to fix that from both sides.

Charral's perspective is refreshingly different. Her book isn't written to teach marketers how to market. It's written to help non-marketing leaders understand how to actually work with marketing. 

That framing opens up a rich discussion about the gap between strategy and execution, and why Ops professionals may be the best-positioned people in the business to close it. In this conversation, they discuss:

• The outdated assumptions organizations still hold about marketing, and how marketers unintentionally reinforce them
• Why Ops teams sitting at the intersection of marketing, sales, finance, and leadership are uniquely positioned as translators across the business
• The SHAPE framework, and why "Activation" is the overlooked layer between planning and results
• Why organizations romanticize strategy and celebrate execution but skip operational readiness in the middle
• The Formula 1 metaphor for marketing leadership: everything that has to come together before you can even compete

Whether you're in Marketing Ops, RevOps, or marketing leadership, this episode is full of ideas for anyone trying to bridge the gap between strategy, operations, and the rest of the business.

 The conversation doesn't end here. Explore the full SHAPE framework and more in Charral's book, The Marketing Movement: https://themarketing-movement.com/

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