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The Missions Show episodes

June 07What 40 Years of Church Planting Can Teach Us
Is Peru as reached as we think?
In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott talk with veteran ABWE missionary Stephen Douglas to explore more than four decades of gospel ministry in Peru. Stephen shares how God led him and his wife Debbie to the city of Arequipa—a historic Roman Catholic stronghold known as the “Little Rome of Peru”—and how a small church-planting team, where no evangelical churches existed before, grew into a network of dozens of churches throughout the region.
Stephen also recounts powerful stories of lives changed through discipleship, leadership development, and church planting, including Peruvian believers who have become pastors and missionaries serving around the world. While Peru and South America still have significant gospel needs, Stephen casts a compelling vision for the future: strengthening local churches, training national leaders, and equipping Latin American believers to become a launching force for global missions.
Key Topics
Stephen Douglas’s call to missions and journey to Peru
Church planting in Arequipa, Peru’s historic Catholic stronghold
The growth from a pioneering work to a regional church-planting movement
Stories of Peruvian pastors and missionaries impacting the nations
Challenges and opportunities in reaching modern Peruvian culture
A vision for Peru and Latin America as a launching pad for global missions
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May 31Listener Letter – When Spouses Disagree on Missional Calling
This week, Alex and Scott tackle a difficult question from a missionary wife who, after experiencing significant trauma, grief, anxiety, depression, family challenges, and cultural stress during overseas service, no longer feels able to return to the mission field while her husband remains convinced they should continue. They explore the realities of missionary hardship, the emotional and spiritual toll of cross-cultural ministry, and the tension that can arise when spouses find themselves at odds over what they believe God is calling them to do.
The conversation examines biblical concepts of calling, marriage, submission, family priorities, and the role of the local church in affirming missionary service. Alex and Scott encourage listeners to distinguish between personal desires, genuine calling, and God’s providential limitations, while emphasizing that husbands and wives must seek unity, wise counsel, and pastoral guidance when navigating major ministry decisions.
Key Topics Covered
The emotional, relational, and spiritual impact of missionary trauma and culture shock.
How to distinguish between personal desires, ministry ambitions, and biblical calling.
The local church’s role in affirming, evaluating, and guiding missionary service.
Biblical perspectives on marital leadership, submission, and decision-making during disagreement.
Balancing ministry commitments with responsibilities to spouse, children, and family health.
Practical counsel for couples seeking unity when one spouse wants to continue missions and the other does not.
Here's the conversation from Scott Dunford and his wife about missions.
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May 24Bringing Masculinity Back to Missions With Chase Davis
In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott welcome pastor, author, and former missionary J. Chase Davis to discuss the crisis of biblical masculinity and its implications for the church and missions. Drawing from his book Offensive Christianity, Davis argues that the modern church has often replaced robust discipleship with therapeutic, “nice” Christianity that neglects courage, conviction, and a biblical understanding of manhood.
The conversation explores how theological anthropology, cultural movements like pietism, and modern evangelical trends have contributed to an increasingly feminized church culture that often struggles to challenge men toward sacrificial leadership and spiritual maturity. From a missions perspective, together they examine how an overemphasis on comfort and safety can weaken the church’s vision for gospel advance.
Key Topics
The theological roots behind the modern crisis of masculinity
Why “nice Christianity” can undermine bold discipleship
The difference between meekness and weakness in missions
How evangelical culture became increasingly “feminine coded”
Recovering courage, risk, and conviction in missionary service
Why churches must cast a stronger vision for men in missions
Learn more and get your copy of Chase's book, Offensive Christianity here.
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May 17Crisis Response and First Responder Ministry
In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex sits down with ABWE’s Director of International Security and Crisis Management, Bill Gruppen, to discuss the difficult balance between missionary safety and gospel risk-taking in some of the world’s most dangerous places. Drawing from decades of experience in law enforcement, emergency response, and security, Bill shares how God redirected his professional skill set into missions work through TACTICA Ministries and ABWE.
Together, they explore how missionaries prepare for crises, make difficult stay-or-go decisions in conflict zones like the Middle East and Ukraine, and seek to remain faithful witnesses without embracing unnecessary danger. Bill explains how emergency response ministries can strengthen long-term church planting efforts by building relationships, serving communities in moments of suffering, and opening doors for gospel ministry.
Key Topics:
Why missionary safety and gospel risk must be held in biblical balance
How ABWE missionaries navigate conflict zones and crisis situations
Bill Gruppen’s journey from law enforcement and emergency response into missions
The role of TACTICA Ministries in reaching first responders with the gospel
ABWE’s vision for disaster relief and crisis response teams
Encouragement to pray for missionaries and first responders serving under pressure
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May 10How Missionaries Transform Cultures
Christian missions has never existed in a cultural vacuum. From William Carey’s role in ending widow burning in India to Gladys Aylward confronting foot-binding in China, the spread of Christianity has often transformed entire societies. But where is the line between gospel transformation and cultural imperialism? When missionaries challenge practices rooted in paganism, are they discipling nations or exporting Western assumptions?
In this episode, Alex and Scott explores the missionary task through the lens of Scripture, church history, and cultural theology. Looking at both Scripture and missions history, we explore: What parts of culture must be rejected? What parts can be redeemed? How should missionaries approach technology, literacy, family structures, and social customs? And how can Christians avoid simply replacing old idols with modern Western ones?
Key Topics:
The balance between gospel proclamation and cultural transformation
Historical examples of Christianity influencing societal change
The danger of exporting Western or personal cultural preferences
The importance of developing indigenous expressions of Christianity
The role of institutions (schools, hospitals, state) in missions work
Practical guidance for missionaries engaging with local cultures
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May 03Engaging Islam with the Truth of the Trinity With Dr. Imad Shehadeh
How do you explain the Trinity to Muslims?
On this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott sit down with Dr. Imad Shehadeh, founder and president of Jordan Evangelical Theological Seminary, to explore what it means to faithfully articulate and defend the doctrine of the Trinity in a Muslim-majority context. Drawing from decades of theological education and ministry, Shehadeh explains how misunderstandings about the Trinity and the assumption that Christians believe in three gods. He emphasizes that the core differences between Islam and Christianity ultimately stem from contrasting views of God’s nature, particularly whether God is relational in His essence.
The conversation also underscores the importance of deep theological clarity in missions work. Dr. Shehadeh describes how training leaders at Jordan Evangelical Theological Seminary involves translating complex doctrine into accessible truth while fostering respectful, bridge-building dialogue.
Key Topics:
Explaining and defending the Trinity in Muslim contexts
Theological differences between Islam and Christianity (nature of God, salvation, revelation)
Why God’s relational nature is central to the gospel message
Misconceptions about Christian beliefs within the Muslim world
Training pastors and leaders for ministry in the Middle East
Practical approaches to evangelism marked by humility and clarity
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April 26How Christ Transformed a Former Iranian Revolution Leader With Dr. Shayesteh
In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott sit down with Dr. Daniel Shayesteh. Dr. Shayesteh shares his powerful journey from a radical Muslim involved in the Iranian Revolution to a follower of Christ. Raised in a devout Islamic context that viewed Christianity as corrupt, he rose to prominence as a religious figure and political activist under Ayatollah Khomeini. But after witnessing deception and oppression, he became disillusioned, was imprisoned, and narrowly escaped execution before fleeing Iran.
In Turkey, Shayesteh’s academic studies and unexpected encounters with Christians began to reshape his worldview. Drawn initially by practical needs, he encountered the love, freedom, and relational nature of God in Christianity, ultimately leading to his conversion. His story highlights the transforming power of the gospel and challenges believers to engage Muslims with truth and compassion. Dr. Daniel Shayesteh leads the ministry Exodus From Darkness.
Key Topics:
Background in Islam and role in the Iranian Revolution
Disillusionment with Khomeini’s regime
Escape from Iran and life in Turkey
Comparative study of religions
Encounters with Christians and conversion
Missions implications for reaching Muslims
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April 19Are Church Planting Movements Bad?
Can church planting be done wrong?
This episode of The Missions Show explores the debate around Church Planting Movements (CPMs), interacting with a Lausanne article that presents them as a highly effective missions strategy. Alex Kocman and Scott Dunford explain what CPMs are and why they generate both enthusiasm and concern, especially regarding their emphasis on rapid multiplication and minimal training.
Alex and Scott raise key theological and practical questions about doctrine, discipleship, and the definition of the church. While affirming the desire for gospel growth, they caution against prioritizing speed and numbers over biblical faithfulness, urging listeners to focus on sound doctrine and trust God for lasting fruit.
Key Topics:
What Church Planting Movements (CPMs) are
Why CPMs are controversial in missions
Speed vs. depth in discipleship and church growth
The importance of doctrinal accountability
Evaluating success beyond numbers
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April 12Canada’s C9 Bill – Is God’s Truth Being Outlawed?
Did Canada just pass a bill that outlaws particular Bible teaching?
This episode of The Missions Show explores the implications of Canada’s Bill C9 (the “Combating Hate Act”) and its potential impact on religious freedom, gospel proclamation, and missions. Guest John Taylor, ABWE missionary in Canada, explains that while the bill aims to curb violence and protect marginalized communities, its vague definition of “hate” and removal of key legal protections for religious expression raise serious concerns.
The conversation highlights how this cultural and legal shift may affect both local churches and global missions efforts. John encourages believers to remain faithful, proclaim the full counsel of God with humility and love, and avoid allowing cultural pressures to dictate the message of the gospel. Together they emphasize that missions must continue through both word and deed—demonstrating Christ’s love while clearly communicating humanity’s need for salvation.
Key Topics:
Overview of Canada’s Bill C9 and its legislative status
Definitions of “hate” and concerns about vague legal language
Potential classification of biblical passages as hate speech
Removal of legal protections for religious expression
Tension between religious freedom and evolving cultural norms
Balancing cultural awareness with biblical faithfulness
If you'd like more information on Bill C-9, check out these resources:
CcccBill C-9: Passes Third Reading with Key Changes - CCCC Blogs
EvangelicalfellowshipEFC - Religious Freedom in Canada - EFC Protects Religious Rights in Canada
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April 05A Defense Against Missions as Colonialism
How do you respond when people say that missions is colonialism?
In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott tackle the increasingly common claim that missions is inherently colonialistic with guest Will Maxson. Prompted by real-world examples and cultural trends, they explore why this critique has gained traction, even within Christian institutions. Maxson acknowledges that while missions and colonial expansion sometimes overlapped historically, the popular narrative often exaggerates or misunderstands that connection. He argues that Christianity’s missionary impulse is fundamentally different from colonialism, rooted not in coercion but in persuasion and respect for human dignity.
They also examine difficult topics like the Crusades, cultural Christianity, and accusations of cultural erasure. Ultimately, they contend that authentic Christian missions do not destroy cultures but redeem them, affirming human agency and the image of God in all people.
Key Topics Covered
Why missions is often labeled as colonialism in modern culture
Historical overlap—and key differences—between missions and colonial expansion
The distinction between persuasion (evangelism) and coercion (colonialism)
Christianity is the first truly transcultural religion
How the missionary impulse promotes human dignity, freedom, and equality
Evaluating the Crusades and other historical events without oversimplification
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The Missions Show answers hard questions about theology, missions, and practice to help goers think and thinkers go. We are conservative, evangelical, and gospel-centered.