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"It's not just guessing. It's not just saying, "oh, there's something to log in. I think we'll call the button login." It actually knows the button is called Login, it's seen it. So that makes a big difference and makes it much more resilient. So that's definitely a big change, right? It's not just guessing. So definitely you should try it out."— Debbie O'Brien

Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem.

Today, we're joined by Debbie O'Brien to talk about both Playwright and the Playwright MCP server. We started with an introduction to Playwright, and talked about how both it and the MCP server for it can help you to automate both the writing and running of tests for your applications.

Pro tip: If you've been using the Swagger UI in your applications, you've been using Open API.

"And that's where the Playwright MCP comes In because it can automate a browser, it can basically go to the website, it can navigate, it can click, it can hover, it can do everything that you are doing in your tests."— Debbie O'Brien

Along the way, we talked about how Playwright's MCP server can help you to find test cases that you might not have thought of initially. As a perfect example of this while recording this episode, Debbie found a bug in the app that I use to record episodes of the show, and talked about how Playwright MCP would help to recreate and debug the issue.

It's worth pointing out that we recorded this in early August 2025, and that AI quite literally moves very rapidly. Whilst Playwright and MCP servers are not likely to change too much between recording the episode an when it went out, it'll be worth bearing that in mind as we talk about some of the AI stuff.

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The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/testing-made-easy-debbie-obrien-explains-playwright-and-its-game-changing-mcp-server

• Playwright
• Jamie's "small" open source project
• Playwright VSCode extension
• Playwright on GitHub
  • Playwright's tests on GitHub... written with Playwright
• Debbie's Movies App website
• GitHub Spark
• Debbie's website
• Debbie on LinkedIn
• Playwright Docs
• Playwright YouTube Channel
• playwright Discord Server
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"And we talk about that contract. We say, "this is your contract. This Open API definition that you have is the contract for your service." And in the end, that's how customers interact with Azure is through APIs. And so it's important to have that contract so that customers know how things work, how to use them, hopefully how to use them easily, right?"— Mike Kistler

Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem.

Today, we're joined by Mike Kistler to talk about two topics (we usually only tackle one topic per episode, so you're getting a bonus with this episode): Open API and both MCP and the MCP SDK for C#.

We started our conversation by focussing on Open API, as this is a passion of Mike's. We talked about what it is, how you've likely already been using it with any ASP .NET Core WebAPIs that you've worked on, and how the latest versions of ASP .NET Core can generate a lot of the Open API specification for you without having to add lots and lots of metadata an attributes.

Pro tip: If you've been using the Swagger UI in your applications, you've been using Open API.

"And when the LLM decides that it wants to use an MCP tool or access an MCP resource, it doesn't go and do that directly. It comes back to the MCP host and asks the MCP host to call a tool with a particular set of parameters, or to access an MCP resource. And at first, when I saw this in the MCP architecture, I thought, "boy, that's clunky. Why not have the LLM just call these things directly?" And there's a deliberate reason why it was done this way."— Mike Kistler

We then pivoted over to talking about MCP (or Model Context Protocol) which is a rapidly evolving standard for creating your own agents and applications which can communicate with or be instructed by, LLMs. We talked about how the MCP standard works, and how the standard is written in such a way that there's always a human in the loop. We also talked about how you can build your own MCP servers using the MCP SDK for C#.

It's worth pointing out that both MCP and Open API are evolving standards. While Open API tends to evolve with a much more relaxed pace, the MCP standard (having not even reached a year old when we recorded) uses the date as it's version number. And Mike actually references the latest version of the MCP spec in our conversation, which will give you a clue as to when we recorded it.

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The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/building-the-future-of-apis-mike-kistlers-insights-on-openapi-and-mcp

• OpenAPI
• API Blueprint
• RAML
• ProducesResponseType attribute
• Minimal API
• TypedResults
• S07E16 - From Code to Cloud in 15 Minutes: Jason Taylor's Expert Insights And The Clean Architecture Template
• GitHub MCP Server
• MCP Transports
• MCP C# SDK
• Current version of the MCP spec as of the date of recording (aka version 2025-06-18)
• Microsoft MCP Servers List
• Mike on LinkedIn
• .NET Community Standup

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"What do I mean by compute? Compute is whenever you want a computer to do a thing, okay, it requires the CPU to exist and I want the CPU to do a thing. How well it can do it Is based upon what kind of CPU you have. What kind of CPU they have since have it in miniature chip. So, if you have an NVIDIA chip, it does a lot of really good things, but as we know, they're very expensive, and that's why NVIDIA is like what, I guess, the largest company in the world right now."— Michael Washington

Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem.

Today, Michael Washington joined us to talk about his open source project "Personal Data Warehouse", what a data warehouse is, and the why we collect data in our applications. We also talk about the differences between storing data in the database and storing it in a data warehouse—one of the biggest differences, as you'll find out, is the difference in cost.

"The only reason why we collect any data is because at some point a human being needs this data to make a decision. Seriously, and I challenge anyone to come up with any exceptions to that."— Michael Washington

Along the way, we talked about the benefits and pitfalls of leveraging AI (particularly LLMs) in your applications. Both Michael and I agree that there is little "intelligence" in LLMs in the traditional sense, and Michael brings up the most important point when deciding to an LLM in your application: that a human must always make decisions based on what data they have and what the LLM can provide. We must never hand over decision making to LLMs.

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Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET.

The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/data-ai-and-the-human-touch-michael-washington-on-building-trustworthy-applications/

• Apache Parquet
• Personal Data Warehouse on:
  • Windows App Store
  • GitHub
• Michael on:
  • Find an MVP
  • GitHub
  • Bluesky
  • Blazor Help Website
  • blazordata.net
  • AI Story Builders

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"Simple is always the better choice, but easy is not always the best. So sometimes you'll go to graph, it's a little bit harder for us to write the code for around it, but the bandwidth consumption is considerably smaller. the compute consumption and the ability for it to run on a mobile device is considerably easier."— Jerry Nixon

Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem.

Today, we're joined by Jerry Nixon. Jerry is a Principal Product Manager at Microsoft, focussing on the tooling and Developer Experience around Azure SQL Server. Jerry shares his advice for architecting web-based APIs, RESTful design, and using what fits within your team, and of course we talk about Data API Builder.

"When you think about what an architect really is and their responsibility, the decisions, architectural decisions are the decisions that are the most expensive to change. That's kind of like who should be making this decision? Well, how expensive is it to change? It's very expensive."— Jerry Nixon

We also talk about the importance of interpersonal skills in modern software engineering (whether you're working in open source or not), psychological safety, and the importance of self-reflection in our day-to-day work.

Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes.

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The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/designing-apis-like-a-pro-lessons-from-jerry-nixon-on-data-api-builder-and-beyond/

• SQLBits
• The original definition of REST
• Data API Builder documentation
• Data API Builder on GitHub
  • on MS Learn
  • samples
  • docker Registry
• SQL Dev Path
• FusionCache
• Jerry on X (formerly known as Twitter)
• Podcast editing services provided by Matthew Bliss
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"I think, regardless of how technology evolves, it's very important and us the most important thing is for us to be decent and understanding of each other and to be willing to like work towards a common goal."— Safia Abdalla

Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem.

Today, we're joined by Safia Abdalla. Safia is one of the engineers at Microsoft who works on ASP .NET Core, meaning that most of her work is in the open. We talk about Safia's journey in development, what it means to work entirely in the open, and what it's like to read through and triage issues on the ASP .NET Core repo.

"I have certain people in my open source career who I have met and interacted with on a number of different projects, And the ones that stand out as great mentors and role models for me were people who were so good at creating psychological safety in open source spaces so that people could present their ideas. And they were really good at uplifting other people's ideas and pushing them further."— Safia Abdalla

We also talk about the importance of interpersonal skills in modern software engineering (whether you're working in open source or not), psychological safety, and the importance of self-reflection in our day-to-day work.

Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes.

Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET.

The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/compassionate-coding-safia-abdallas-insights-on-empathy-in-open-source-development/

• Safia on GitHub
• Safia on Bluesky
• Safia's website
• ASP .NET Core issues on Github
• Podcast editing services provided by Matthew Bliss
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"From the first engagement with any from Umbraco, it's been a friendly approach. We are friendly. It's a part of our DNA. Professional. We take our work dead seriously, but we want to have fun, but we are friendly."— Mats Persson

Hey everyone, and welcome back to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. I'm your host Jamie Taylor, bringing you conversations with the brightest minds in the .NET ecosystem.

Today, both Emma Burstow and Mats Persson of Umbraco are here to share their expertise on building Umbraco—a completely open source CMS, known as the friendly CMS. Emma is Umbraco's Director of Developer Relations and Mats is their newly appointed CEO.

"One of our values is openness. And once again, I'll say we really walk the walk. So we alert people early. We work in public, truly. We don't just, you know, update things on git as in terms of code. We write words around it. We have discussion boards We have ongoing issues that are open, and we talk to people that are working with the product"— Emma Burstow

We also dive into what it's like to build Umbraco completely in the open, which led to some fascinating insights into how to build and manage a world-wide community of contributors, but also how to help manage expectations of those developers and technologists.

Before we jump in, a quick reminder: if The Modern .NET Show has become part of your learning journey, please consider supporting us through Patreon or Buy Me A Coffee. Every contribution helps us continue bringing you these in-depth conversations with industry experts. You'll find all the links in the show notes.

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The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-8/umbraco-unplugged-emma-burstow-mats-persson-on-umbraco-the-friendly-cms/

• Umbraco homepage
• Umbraco Community
• Umbraco on LinkedIn
• Emma on LinkedIn
• Mats on LinkedIn
• Podcast editing services provided by Matthew Bliss
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"So the cloud adoption framework actually has a lot of steps for organizations or IT teams to start assessing their existing environments first and planning the stage before they modernise and migrate to Azure. And then the well-architected framework allows the team, whoever is involved, developers, engineers, or architects, working in that migration project to think how they're going to think about architecting for the cloud in a way that it meets all the pillars in terms of resiliency, performance, architecture, and everything. Security, for example, that they need to think about."— Jonah Andersson

Welcome friends to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. We are the go-to podcast for .NET developers worldwide, and I am your host: Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor.

In this episode, which is the final one of season 7, Jonah Andersson joins us to talk all things Azure, the many pathways involved in migrating and modernising .NET applications, and publishing to the cloud.

"So one tool that I actually highly recommend when it comes to .NET, there is a plug-in for Visual Studio, actually, for .NET, and even, I think, with Java. There';s a tool called AppCAT plugin, and it's like a modernization tool that is part of the Azure Migrate that allows .NET developers who are ever working in a migration project with .NET, that they can add a plugin in Visual Studio and they can assess their existing source code, .NET source code, based on the well-architected framework, if it's ready or not, or there are gaps in the code."— Jonah Andersoon

Along the way, we talk about Jonah's podcast "Extend Women in Tech Podcast" (which I would highly recommend), and her book "Learning Microsoft Azure: Cloud Computing and Development Fundamentals" and why she chose to write it.

Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET.

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The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-7/learning-azure-with-jonah-andersson-a-developers-guide-to-cloud-computing-and-development-fundamentals/

• Jonah Andersson
• Azure Usergroup Sweden
• Extend Women in Tech Podcast
• Learning Microsoft Azure
• Jonah on LinkedIn

• Cloud Adoption Framework (CAF)
• Well-Architected Framework (WAF)
• AppCAT
• Azure for .NET Developers
• Azure ARC
• Azure Dev/Test
• Find an MVP
• Ollama

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"Yeah, exactly. In fact, one of the central premises of Dapr has, you know, one of its goals is not only to be multi-language, in that anyone can use the APIs from any language they come from. So it has SDKs. First, you can call it HTTP if that's all you care about. But it has SDKs for Java, JavaScript, of course, .NET, Python, and Go."— Mark Fussell

Welcome friends to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. We are the go-to podcast for .NET developers worldwide, and I am your host: Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor.

In this episode, Mark Fussell from Diagrid joins us to talk about Dapr—that's D-A-P-R—the Distributed Application Runtime, which aims to make it trivial to build applications in a distributed manner: covering things like service discovery, Pubsub messaging, and distribution of your microservice-based applications.

"And the reason why I mentioned that is because, going to your AI discussion, is that we had an amazing contributor actually from Microsoft, actually he's ex-Microsoft now, a guy called Roberto Rodriguez, who worked in Microsoft Research, We built an agentic AI framework on top of Dapr workflows because it had this power of being able to do recoverability and coordination."— Mark Fussell

Along the way, we cover the history of Dapr, how it started as a Microsoft incubator project (and was heavily inspired by Project Tye), and how it's now a full graduated project of the CNCF (Cloud Native Computing Foundation).

Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET.

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• DAPR
• Web Services Enhancement
• Diagrid
• Dapper
• Tye
• Spiffie
• mTLS
• istio
• Linkerd
• Dapr/quickstarts
• Dapr university
• Diagrid Conductor
• Workflow Engines:
  • Comunda
  • Apache Airflow
  • Azure Logic Apps
  • AWS Step Functions
• Episode 21 - Orleans with Russell Hammett
• CNCF
• Dapr Catalyst
• Dapr on Discord

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"If your app has a backend, it's Aspire-able. And so it's tools, templates, and packages for really any type of app… So just being able to walk up to a repo, clone it, and hit F5. When was the last time we were able to do that? Like, ten years ago, maybe?"— Maddy Montaquila

Welcome friends to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. We are the go-to podcast for .NET developers worldwide, and I am your host: Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor.

In this episode, we talk with Maddy Montaquila about .NET Aspire, what it is, how it's not just for .NET developers, and how it can help you to run a repo by simply hitting F5, regardless of what's in there.

"To me, it really is just a dev tool in a bunch of different ways. It makes you just hit F5 again, no matter how many containers, or local, or deployed services you have to deal with, or projects, or languages, or if you're in VS, or VS Code, or on a Mac, or on a command line, or on a Linux machine. Like Aspire just makes all that magical without replatforming"— Maddy Montaquila

Along the way, we also talk about the importance of reducing the complexity of going from, "I have an idea," to, "my app is running in the cloud." And Maddy drops a wonderful metaphor for .NET Aspire using a Logo-based metaphor. And we address the community invented elephant in the room: that .NET Aspire, somehow, locks you into using one vendor.

Spoiler alert: it can deploy to any cloud vendor, and even to on-prem servers.

Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET.

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The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-7/net-aspire-how-maddy-montaquila-and-the-net-team-are-revolutionizing-development/

• Maddy on Bluesky

• CNCF
• OpenTelemetry
• Helm
• Codespaces
• Podman
• Devcontainers
• Vim
• GDB
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• .NET Aspire Community Toolkit
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"I remember I had the entire life cycle of the web forms printed on a wall. It was like six sheets of paper and it was very complex, and it was very useful to have it on the wall because, like, you could always look at it and say, "okay, this is going on before this one." So you have to like switch the order of things. But that's exactly what I call interesting"— Tomáš Herceg

Welcome friends to The Modern .NET Show; the premier .NET podcast, focusing entirely on the knowledge, tools, and frameworks that all .NET developers should have in their toolbox. We are the go-to podcast for .NET developers worldwide, and I am your host: Jamie "GaProgMan" Taylor.

In this episode, we talk with Tomáš Herceg about strategies for modernizing .NET Framework web applications such that they leverage the very latest in the .NET stack. Tomáš shares his insights from the journey of upgrading his own applications and those of his clients, both of which provided the background for his new book: "Modernizing .NET Web Applications".

"The biggest problem of the YARP migrations: that they will force you to do a lot of infrastructure things at the beginning before you even start migrating some real functionality."— Tomáš Herceg

Along the way, we discuss how using his DotVVM project can help with the migration. Not only is the upgrade path for DotVVM projects a process of swapping a NuGet package, but is also keeps the upgrade as a single in-memory process—something that YARP-based migrations aren't able to do.

Anyway, without further ado, let's sit back, open up a terminal, type in `dotnet new podcast` and we'll dive into the core of Modern .NET.

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The full show notes, including links to some of the things we discussed and a full transcription of this episode, can be found at: https://dotnetcore.show/season-7/dotnet-web-app-modernization-made-easy-with-tomas-hercegs-new-book-and-dotvvm/

• DotVVM
• DotVVM.Owin
• DotVVM.AspNetCore
• Yarp
• Strangler Fig Pattern
• Modernizing .NET Web Applications
• Gauss Curve (aka Normal distribution)
• Tomáš on LinkedIn
• Model-view-ViewModel

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