In this special season of Make It Simple, we're having conversations with friends all about Matt's new book, Junk Drawer Jesus.

This week, we welcome Jared Wilson to talk about Chapter 2: "The Myth of the Cosmic Scale" and how the point was never to be perfect (spoiler alert: you won't achieve it anyway).

You can grab your copy of Junk Drawer Jesus by Matt Popovits today at 1517.org or anywhere books are sold!

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Jared C. Wilson is an assistant professor of pastoral ministry, an author in residence at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary, a staff pastor for preaching, and director of the Pastoral Training Center at Liberty Baptist Church in Kansas City, MO. An award-winning author of over 20 books, Jared also hosts the For The Church Podcast and co-hosts The Heart of Pastoring Podcast (with Ronnie Martin).

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