In the summer of 2020,  Dr. Peter Weinstein (a white man from the east coast) picked up the phone and called Dr. Phillip Nelson (a black man from the South) seeking an understanding of the current racial divide in America.  What he got was a conversation so intense it would spur an entire podcast into being. 

This first conversation highlights the topic of white stress and guilt, George Floyd’s death,  and why whites still can't relate to the struggles of black people.   Thank you for joining in.