The Next System Podcast

By The Next System Project

What's The Next System Podcast about?

The Next System Podcast is a regular series that examines the systemic challenges facing society today and the bold, systemic solutions that can build the society of tomorrow. Learn more about the Next System Project at www.thenextsystem.org.

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The Next System Podcast episodes:

04.22.2020
Episode 47: Earth Day at 50
For a new generation of climate activists, the 50th anniversary of Earth Day is not a day of celebration but a day of mobilization combined with a sober critique of why the ideals of the first Earth Day are...
03.18.2020
EP 46: Direct action, moms, and a housing crisis
Dominique Walker left her hometown of East Oakland for university, only to come back to find it gentrified and her neighbors displaced. This week, she shares the story of how she and Moms 4 Housing, an activist group pushing for...
03.05.2020
Ep. 45: Racial trauma, healing and reparations
As a Black woman leading one of the nation's most prominent philanthropic organizations, La June Montgomery Tabron is taking on the challenge of addressing the impact of systemic racism on families and communities. She talks with Rev. Ronnie Galvin Jr.,...
02.13.2020
Ep. 44: The end of employee ownership at New Belgium and why it matters
New Belgium Brewing has been held up as a shining example of what could be possible through worker ownership. Bu now that it's been purchased by an international conglomerate, there are new questions about the best strategy and models for...
01.30.2020
Ep. 43: "Job Guarantee Now!" with Darrick Hamilton and Sarah Treuhaft
Today's so-called "full-employment economy" still fails millions. We examine the campaign for a federal jobs guarantee and why now is the time to fight for transformative changes in the job market. We talk to Policy Link's Sarah Treuhaft about the...
01.14.2020
Ep. 42: On "The Making of a Democratic Economy" (W/ Ted Howard and Marjorie Kelly)
This week, we sit down with Marjorie Kelly and Ted Howard, co-authors of The Making of a Democratic Economy. Illuminating the principles of a democratic economy through the stories of on-the-ground community wealth builders and their unlikely accomplices in the...
11.25.2019
Ep. 41: In-depth with Clark Arrington (Part 2)
This is the second in a two-part discussion with Clark Arrington, a pioneer in the cooperative movement, an innovative legal practitioner, and a leader in the movement for Black economic empowerment. In Part 2, Arrington discusses his work in Tanzania,...
11.20.2019
Ep. 40: In-Depth with Clark Arrington
Part 1 of a special two-part edition of The Next System Podcast features Clark Arrington, a pioneer in the cooperative movement, an innovative legal practitioner, and a leader in the movement for Black economic empowerment. He now works as general...
11.01.2019
Ep. 39: The "homes guarantee"
The United States is in the midst of a housing affordability crisis, with at least 21 million households spending more than 30 percent of their income on housing, and an estimated 553,000 people are completely homeless. Its roots are systemic,...
10.07.2019
Ep. 38: Democratizing power in rural America through electric co-ops
In this episode, we’re discussing how to further democratize rural electric cooperatives and what that means for the communities that these institutions serve. In this podcast, we’re joined by The Democracy Collaborative’s Johanna Bozuwa, Nikita Perumal from Kentuckians for the...
10.01.2019
Guest Podcast! The Next World Podcast on Reparations, the Green New Deal, and the School to Prison Pipeline
This week we're featuring a podcast from our peers at the National Economic and Social Rights Initiative. The Next World: A Podcast About Building Movements focuses on a range of topics that will resonate with listeners interested in a more...
08.28.2019
Ep. 37: Reparations & the Democratic Economy
This episode is hosted by Ronnie Galvin, The Democracy Collaborative's Vice President of Racial Equity and the Democratic Economy. This week, Ronnie is discussing how best to contextualize the topic of reparations within the framework of a democratic economy. He is...
08.05.2019
Ep. 36: Wish-List Economics
One of the key points of contention in the Democratic Primary race is defining what policies and proposals are “radical” and which are “pragmatic.” One primary contender went as far to dismiss a so-called radical agenda as “wish-list economics.” This...
06.11.2019
Ep. 35: The policy approach to mainstream worker ownership
This week we're looking at building worker ownership in the economy from a policy perspective. Given new policies proposed by a host of Democratic Candidates, worker power and inequality are two topics very much on the policy agenda for the 2020 presidential...
05.31.2019
Ep. 34: Designing Our Communities for Justice
This week we are discussing how to design communities for justice, in particular as communities seek to respond to challenges of climate change, with new projects from transit to infrastructure. Isaiah Poole hosts a panel featuring The Next System Project’s Johanna...
05.20.2019
Ep. 33: Social Wealth Funds as Vehicles for Economic Empowerment
This week, we're talking about how Social Wealth Funds can play a role in empowering both individuals and communities in the economy. Joining us is member of the Maryland House of Delegates Gabriel Acevero, Vice President at the Insight Center...
04.01.2019
Ep. 32: How we power down the fossil fuel machine
This week we’re talking about how to confront the fossil fuel industry. To discuss how to contain and curtail the deleterious effects of this tremendously powerful industry, we have three exceptional guests including journalist Kate Aronoff, Oil Change International’s Steve...
03.19.2019
Ep. 31: Participatory budgeting: When government really is by the people
This week we are talking about deepening democracy in our communities through participatory budgeting and participatory decision making more broadly. We’re joined by three great guests: Shari Davis of the Participatory Budgeting Project, Lorian Ngarambe of the Rochester-Monroe Anti-Poverty Initiative, and Yale...
02.14.2019
Ep. 30: Financing the Green Transition
This week we are discussing how to finance a transition from an ecologically harmful economy dependent on fossil fuels to a clean economy defined by renewables. We have three great guests tackling perspectives at different levels of service, from municipal...
01.24.2019
Ep. 29: From Private Profits to Public Alternatives
This week we’re talking about public ownership and privatization with three special guests. We are joined by Shahrzad Habibi, research director at In The Public Interest, Thomas Hanna, The Democracy Collaborative's research director and author of Our Common Wealth: The Return...
12.12.2018
The Green New Deal and the shift to a new economy
This week we have a panel discussion detailing the proposed Green New Deal that activists have been mobilizing for recently. We spoke with The Democracy Collaborative's own Johanna Bozuwa, the Sierra Club's Anthony Torres, and Sunrise Movement Co-Founder Evan Weber...
11.27.2018
When “growing the economy” is not the right answer: Moving to sustainability
This week on the Next System Podcast we’re joined by Carina Millstone to discuss how to design business for an economic system that is rooted within ecological limits. Millstone is the executive director of Feedback, and her book Frugal Value: Designing Business...
11.12.2018
Ep. 26: What Banks Owe Communities
Editorial Manager Isaiah J. Poole hosts Next System Project fellow Devin Case-Ruchala in a discussion about the future and yet-to-be-fulfilled potential of a landmark community investment law with John Holdsclaw, senior vice president of corporate affairs at National Cooperative Bank,...
11.02.2018
Ep. 25: Public Banking Coast to Coast
This week on the Next System Podcast David Jette from Public Bank LA and Juleon Robinson from Public Bank NYC sit down to discuss the transformative potential of public banks. These institutions aim to hold finance publicly accountable, directing credit...
09.21.2018
Ep. 24: The Antidote to the Amazon Economy
This week Stacy Mitchell, Co-Director of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance (ILSR) and Director of ILSR’s Community-Scaled Economy initiative, joins Adam Simpson and special co-host Katie Parker to discuss locally-minded economics and what effects they might have on our communities. Subscribe to...
08.29.2018
Episode 23: Community Control of Land and Housing (W/ Jarrid Green)
The Democracy Collaborative's Senior Research Fellow, Jarrid Green, joins the Next System Podcast to discuss his new report on community control of land and housing, which includes a discussion of actionable policies that cities can take to halt gentrification and...
07.24.2018
Ep. 22: The Preston Model for Economic Revival
Councillor Matthew Brown, head of the Preston City Council, sits down with the Next System Project to discuss his the strategy that Preston is pursuing to build community wealth as a path to economic development. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast...
06.19.2018
Ep. 21: Worker Cooperatives & System Change (W/ Esteban Kelly)
This week Esteban Kelly of the United States Federation of Worker Cooperatives joins us to talk about his experience with cooperatives and his perspective on how they fit into a movement for systemic change. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast...
04.16.2018
Ep. 20: Towards the Inclusive Workers’ Movement of the Future (W/ Dorian Warren)
This week, we speak with Dr. Dorian Warren about a wide range of subjects, from the persistent importance of unions and solidarity, to transformative electoral politics and guaranteed income schemes. In addition to serving as the President of the Center for...
03.26.2018
Ep. 19: Extraction & Resilience in Appalachia (W/ Elizabeth Catte)
This week we're talking with Elizabeth Catte, author of What You Are Getting Wrong About Appalachia. The book focuses on how narratives have been constructed to explain the region's poverty and how those narratives fail to serve Appalachia's people. Transcripts for all...
03.12.2018
Ep. 18: The New Abolitionism & Monetary Freedom (W/ Delman Coates)
On this episode of the Next System Podcast, Rev. Dr. Delman Coates discusses “The New Abolitionism: The Campaign for Monetary Freedom,” a program that seeks to empower people with knowledge about the monetary system and how it could be used...
02.26.2018
Ep. 17: Social Transformation Through ‘The Commons’ (W/ David Bollier)
David Bollier joins us this week to discuss “the commons” and what such a concept means for social transformation. You can read more about David’s ideas in his paper for the Next Systems: Models and Possibilities series, and also read more...
02.12.2018
Ep. 16: “Resist & Build”: Discussing the Solidarity Economy (W/ Emily Kawano)
Emily Kawano, coordinator of the US Solidarity Network, Intercontinental Network for the Promotion of the Social Solidarity Economy (RIPESS), and co-director of the Wellspring Cooperative in Springfield, Massachusettes, joins us to discuss her work on the Solidarity Economy. Transcripts of all Next System...
01.17.2018
Ep. 15: How Communities Can Take Control of Their Police (W/ Max Rameau)
This week on the Next System Podcast, Adam talks with Max Rameau about his article "Community Control of Police: A Proposal," part of the Prisons and Policing: Systemic Challenges & Alternative Visions collection at thenextsystem.org. Transcripts of all of...
12.20.2017
Ep. 14: The Job Guarantee & Social Justice (W/ Pavlina Tcherneva)
This week Adam is joined by the Next System Project's Research Associate Cecilia Gingerich to interview Pavlina Tcherneva about the transformative potential of a federal job guarantee. Pavlina is an Associate Professor and Chair of the Department of Economics at the Levy...
12.06.2017
Ep. 13: Building A Caring Majority (W/ Sarita Gupta)
This week Sarita Gupta sits down to discuss her work on Caring Across Generations. Sarita is the executive director of Jobs With Justice and the co-director of Caring Across Generations. Transcripts of all episodes are available at www.thenextsystem.org. Subscribe to the Next System...
11.29.2017
Ep. 12: Black Power Vs. Black Capitalism (W/ Nishani Frazier)
This week Nishani Frazier sits down to discuss her book Harambee City: The Congress of Racial Equality and the Rise of Black Power Populism. Nishani is a fellow at The Democracy Collaborative and an Associate Professor at Miami University of Ohio. You can learn more...
11.15.2017
Ep. 11: The Transformative Potential of Public Ownership (W/ Andrew Cumbers)
This week on the Next System Podcast, Dr. Andrew Cumbers sits down to discuss his work on public ownership and how such paradigms can pave the way for democratic controls over the economy. The Democracy Collaborative’s Director of Research, Thomas Hanna,...
11.09.2017
Ep. 10.2: The Pluralist Commonwealth (W/ Gar Alperovitz)
In the second of a two-part interview, Next System Project Co-Chair Gar Alperovitz talks about ‘what comes next’ after our current corporate capitalist system: the Pluralist Commonwealth. Be sure to listen to the first episode, in which Gar discusses his trajectory as a system...
11.02.2017
Ep. 10.1: System Change, Past & Present (W/ Gar Alperovitz)
In the first of a two-part interview, The Next System Project’s Co-Chair Gar Alperovitz describes his journey toward system change and what is myriad experiences tell him about our present political and economic circumstances. In part-two, scheduled for next week,...
10.25.2017
Ep. 9: Energizing Democracy By Democratizing Energy (W/ Denise Fairchild)
This week Johanna Bozuwa joins host Adam Simpson to discuss energy democracy with Dr. Denise Fairchild, the President & CEO of Emerald Cities Collaborative. Denise is the co-author of a new anthology, with Al Weinrub, entitled Energy Democracy: Advancing Equity in Clean Energy...
10.17.2017
Ep. 8: The Next System of Media W/ Laura Flanders
This week, Adam is joined by Laura Flanders to discuss her latest paper for the Next System Project on the “urgent necessity” of Next System Media. You can read Laura’s paper in full here. Be sure to follow The Laura Flanders Show to...
09.27.2017
Ep. 7: Why Climate Change Necessitates System Change W/ Gus Speth
Next System Project Co-Chair Gus Speth joins the Next System Podcast to discuss his experience with the environmental movement and how that led him to the work on systemic change that he pursues today. Subscribe to the Next System Podcast via iTunes, Soundcloud, Google Play, Stitcher...
09.19.2017
Ep. 6: Capital Bias vs. Generative Design W/ Marjorie Kelly
This week, Adam sits down with Marjorie Kelly to find out why she believes that worker ownership is fundamental to building a new economy and detail a new initiative to begin realizing that vision. Full Transcript available online at: https://thenextsystem.org/learn/stories/episode-6-capital-bias-vs-generative-design-w-marjorie-kelly Subscribe...
09.13.2017
Ep. 5: Toward Climate Justice w/ Jacqueline Patterson & Basav Sen
This week, Adam sits down with Jacqueline Patterson, the Director of the NAACP’s Climate Justice Program, and Basav Sen, the Climate Justice Project Director at the Institute for Policy Studies to discuss the intersection of ongoing environmental crises and systemic bias...
09.05.2017
Ep. 4: Discussing the Racial Wealth Gap & the Job Guarantee (W/ Darrick Hamilton)
This week on the Next System Podcast, Adam sits does with Darrick Hamilton to discuss his work on the racial wealth gap in the United States, as well as Hamilton's proposal for a federal job guarantee program. This episode touches...
08.30.2017
Ep. 3: Carbon tax & Social Dividends w/ Jeremiah Lowery & Camila Thorndike
Adam Simpson and Carla Santos-Skandier sat down with Jeremiah Lowery and Camila Thorndike, the Climate Justice Organizer and Carbon Pricing Coordinator, respectively, of the Chesapeake Climate Action Network (CCAN) to discuss the group's campaign for a carbon fee and rebate...
08.23.2017
Ep. 2: Kate Raworth on "Doughnut Economics"
This week on The Next System Podcast. Adam talks with Kate Raworth about her Doughnut Economics model. The pair discuss economic justice, unpaid labor, the commons, and much more. You can learn more about Doughnut Economics at Kate's website or purchase the book wherever books are...
08.14.2017
Ep. 1: Gar Alperovitz & Gus Speth on the Next System
In the debut episode of the Next System Podcast, host Adam Simpson sits down with the co-chairs of the Next System Project, Gar Alperovitz and Gus Speth. The co-chairs discuss what NSP means to them in the context of the...
08.02.2017
Next System Podcast Intro
This music was taken from the song "You Won't Believe What Happens Next" by artist Tiny Robots. It is available under a Creative Commons license and found at the Free Music Archive.

What's The Next System Podcast about?

Download our free app to listen on your phone

The Next System Podcast episodes:

Episode 47: Earth Day at 50

EP 46: Direct action, moms, and a housing crisis

Ep. 45: Racial trauma, healing and reparations

Ep. 44: The end of employee ownership at New Belgium and why it matters

Ep. 43: "Job Guarantee Now!" with Darrick Hamilton and Sarah Treuhaft

Ep. 42: On "The Making of a Democratic Economy" (W/ Ted Howard and Marjorie Kelly)

Ep. 41: In-depth with Clark Arrington (Part 2)

Ep. 40: In-Depth with Clark Arrington

Ep. 39: The "homes guarantee"

Ep. 38: Democratizing power in rural America through electric co-ops

Guest Podcast! The Next World Podcast on Reparations, the Green New Deal, and the School to Prison Pipeline

Ep. 37: Reparations & the Democratic Economy

Ep. 36: Wish-List Economics

Ep. 35: The policy approach to mainstream worker ownership

Ep. 34: Designing Our Communities for Justice

Ep. 33: Social Wealth Funds as Vehicles for Economic Empowerment

Ep. 32: How we power down the fossil fuel machine

Ep. 31: Participatory budgeting: When government really is by the people

Ep. 30: Financing the Green Transition

Ep. 29: From Private Profits to Public Alternatives

The Green New Deal and the shift to a new economy

When “growing the economy” is not the right answer: Moving to sustainability

Ep. 26: What Banks Owe Communities

Ep. 25: Public Banking Coast to Coast

Ep. 24: The Antidote to the Amazon Economy

Episode 23: Community Control of Land and Housing (W/ Jarrid Green)

Ep. 22: The Preston Model for Economic Revival

Ep. 21: Worker Cooperatives & System Change (W/ Esteban Kelly)

Ep. 20: Towards the Inclusive Workers’ Movement of the Future (W/ Dorian Warren)

Ep. 19: Extraction & Resilience in Appalachia (W/ Elizabeth Catte)

Ep. 18: The New Abolitionism & Monetary Freedom (W/ Delman Coates)

Ep. 17: Social Transformation Through ‘The Commons’ (W/ David Bollier)

Ep. 16: “Resist & Build”: Discussing the Solidarity Economy (W/ Emily Kawano)

Ep. 15: How Communities Can Take Control of Their Police (W/ Max Rameau)

Ep. 14: The Job Guarantee & Social Justice (W/ Pavlina Tcherneva)

Ep. 13: Building A Caring Majority (W/ Sarita Gupta)

Ep. 12: Black Power Vs. Black Capitalism (W/ Nishani Frazier)

Ep. 11: The Transformative Potential of Public Ownership (W/ Andrew Cumbers)

Ep. 10.2: The Pluralist Commonwealth (W/ Gar Alperovitz)

Ep. 10.1: System Change, Past & Present (W/ Gar Alperovitz)

Ep. 9: Energizing Democracy By Democratizing Energy (W/ Denise Fairchild)

Ep. 8: The Next System of Media W/ Laura Flanders

Ep. 7: Why Climate Change Necessitates System Change W/ Gus Speth

Ep. 6: Capital Bias vs. Generative Design W/ Marjorie Kelly

Ep. 5: Toward Climate Justice w/ Jacqueline Patterson & Basav Sen

Ep. 4: Discussing the Racial Wealth Gap & the Job Guarantee (W/ Darrick Hamilton)

Ep. 3: Carbon tax & Social Dividends w/ Jeremiah Lowery & Camila Thorndike

Ep. 2: Kate Raworth on "Doughnut Economics"

Ep. 1: Gar Alperovitz & Gus Speth on the Next System

Next System Podcast Intro