Sam talks with writer Sarah Posner about Mike Johnson, the new Speaker of the House, third in line to the presidency and Christian Nationalist who spent around a decade as a lawyer with Alliance Defending Freedom (sic), the organization behind the recent wave of state level anti-abortion legislation, the 303 Creative SCOTUS case, and on the wrong side of many other battles.

Read Sarah's book UNHOLY: How White Christian Nationalists Powered the Trump Presidency, And the Devastating Legacy They Left Behind, get her latest commentary on MSNBC, and follow her on sarahposner.com.

Mentioned in this episode:

Mike Johnson’s Christian nationalist track record isn’t a mystery — it’s a tragedy by Sarah Posner on MSNBC

Mike Johnson, theocrat: the House speaker and a plot against America by Marci A. Hamilton in The Guardian

White Christian Nationalism, Now with a Gavel in a Tailored Suit by Robert P. Jones

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